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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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@8of9 - try this, go to http://drs-software.com/download.php keep it in the German page. Then right hand click the page and translate with Bing. Now watch while your IP address changes magically !!!!

 

That's because you are using Bing, that is their IP as it is them who are reading the page, apparently savy file sharers can use similar methods so they don't get caught and inocent IPs get identified (I think).

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Just tried Microsoft Translator, showing 2 windows, 1 English 1 German, both show different IPs. So according to the people that supply the "proof" for ACS et al I have 3 IP addresses! Which if any is the real one? Can we be sure? Would a court be sure? Would a judge be confused?

 

Refresh the page and they change again, so there is no limit to the number of IPs we could have so are we are all guilty? Or is no-one guilty?

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Have you checked out the demo? Aparently any files you have in your shared documnts folder "are likely to be illegal files", based on what? I keep totaly legal files in that folder so that I can listen to music through my xbox. Also having bit torrent software is not illegal nor is using it!

I was under the impression that the 'shared folder' on someones computer was for any file to be shared amongst all users on a computer regardless of the login permissions.

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The shared folder is the default for all of these programmes like u torrent, bit torrent, firewire, limewire etc - so it concludes that if it is in that folder it must be dodgy !!. It is also the default for Microsoft software like, Word, Excel, Powepoint etc etc

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God I am angry!!! I posted this earlier in the legal forum before been pointed to this thread.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?272808-Copyright-infringement-letter-%28Ministry-of-Sound%29&p=3082470&viewfull=1#post3082470

 

I'm only a fraction through reading this thread and can't beleive just how low these law firms will stoop. I feel another david & goliath moment coming on...

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@count orlock - actually the ip address of Bing is - 65.55.175.254

 

I didn't know that, how come I had 3 different IP addresses reported at the same time, and when i refreshed the pag it showed 3 more? can it be that all this colleting of IPs is flawed, after all this is the same firm that is suplying the "proof".

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I didn't know that, how come I had 3 different IP addresses reported at the same time, and when i refreshed the pag it showed 3 more? can it be that all this colleting of IPs is flawed, after all this is the same firm that is suplying the "proof".

 

The first IP shown will be yours. If you use the translators on the site the address remains the same. If you use the Bing translator the ip addresses you see are Microsoft ip's. Do a WHOIS search on them and even though they are different they are microsoft ip's as Bing is owned by microsoft.

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The only thing I don't like about them using 2nd class is it can take 4 days to get to you so if they post if friday night, it gets collected monday, processed monday night and delivered upto 4 days later which takes you back to friday, they give you 14 days to pay their blackmail from the date of their letter.

 

Everyone that writes to them should forget to put a stamp on the post, they have to pay a surcharge then to recieve it, which is the cost of 2nd class post plus a pound, fill it up with pizza leaflets and other crap to push the thickness up and it will cost them even more, just to get a letter telling them to go and f*** themselves.

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Ahhhh the sign of a real good business model and classy firm, sending out important legal documents aka "threats" by second class mail.

 

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CLASS? They know nothing about class these newcomers!! One of my letters from ACS Law had a white label stuck over the 2nd class Royal Mail Postage Paid printed box on the envelope, and on top of that was stuck a "proper" second class stamp. Now THATS class!!:rolleyes:

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has anyone on this thread actually paid yet?

 

From thorough reading i have seen about two people on here admitting guilt. If they paid or not, i dont know.

 

I wouldnt even worry about IP adds and having several or mix n matches with what your computer states it to be at this moment in time. Its far from being the best defence. The mere cheek that they can just accuse 1) without knowing who downloaded it apart from accusing the account holder and 2) even knowing where the alleged file is hold a great defence in court.

 

'' The account holder downloaded this song my honour ''

'' Where is the alleged file? ''

'' The what? ''

'' Where IS the alleged file? ''

'' Oh its some where, not sure... but somewhere... but honest they did do it''

 

 

This is no different to a pool party, someone pooing in the pool, and the host - even though theyve popped out to get some more ice - being accused of the dirty act.

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Sample Letter of Denial

 

 

ACS:LAW

Andrew J Crossley

20 Hanover Sq,

London,

W1S 1JY

 

(insert date)

 

RE: Letter of Claim Dated (insert date) concerning “(insert file in question as mentioned in the letter)” (“The Work”)

 

Dear Sir,

 

I am writing in reply to your letter of claim dated (insert date) stating that my connection was used in an infringement of copyright, using peer to peer networks which allegedly occurred on the date (insert date) and concerns the work “(insert file in question as mentioned in the letter)” (“the work”).

 

You assert in your letter that the infringement was apparently traced to my internet connection. I note that I am not personally being accused of the infringement, as you have no evidence to this effect. Nevertheless, I categorically deny any offence under sections 16(1) (d) and 20 of the CDPA 1988. I have never possessed a copy of the work in any form, nor have I distributed it, nor have I authorised anyone else to distribute it using my internet connection. I note that section 16(2) of the act requires a person to either directly infringe copyright, or authorise someone else to do so. I have done neither, and you have not provided any evidence of my doing so. As such I cannot and will not sign the undertakings as provided by you.

 

As you seem to be perfectly aware, it is impossible to link an IP address to a particular person or computer without further detailed analysis, which requires a level of expertise I do not possess. Furthermore the delay in your sending of a letter of claim precludes any such analysis. In your letter you state that “it is unlikely that a simple denial (without further explanation) will change our view of the circumstances”, unfortunately I do not have the expertise to provide a detailed explanation. As such I can only conclude that I have been a victim of foul play.

 

 

Yours Faithfully

 

(Your name)

 

Hi

I send this denial letter and after 2 weeks they send me another letter , what now? They still want money.

 

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ACS:LAW

Andrew J Crossley

20 Hanover Sq,

London,

W1S 1JY

 

(insert date)

 

RE: Letter of Claim Dated (insert date) concerning “(insert file in question as mentioned in the letter)” (“The Work”)

 

Dear Sir,

 

I am writing in reply to your letter of claim dated (insert date) stating that my connection was used in an infringement of copyright, using peer to peer networks which allegedly occurred on the date (insert date) and concerns the work “(insert file in question as mentioned in the letter)” (“the work”).

 

You assert in your letter that the infringement was apparently traced to my internet connection. I note that I am not personally being accused of the infringement, as you have no evidence to this effect. Nevertheless, I categorically deny any offence under sections 16(1) (d) and 20 of the CDPA 1988. I have never possessed a copy of the work in any form, nor have I distributed it, nor have I authorised anyone else to distribute it using my internet connection. I note that section 16(2) of the act requires a person to either directly infringe copyright, or authorise someone else to do so. I have done neither, and you have not provided any evidence of my doing so. As such I cannot and will not sign the undertakings as provided by you.

 

As you seem to be perfectly aware, it is impossible to link an IP address to a particular person or computer without further detailed analysis, which requires a level of expertise I do not possess. Furthermore the delay in your sending of a letter of claim precludes any such analysis. In your letter you state that “it is unlikely that a simple denial (without further explanation) will change our view of the circumstances”, unfortunately I do not have the expertise to provide a detailed explanation. As such I can only conclude that I have been a victim of foul play.

 

 

Yours Faithfully

 

(Your name)

 

Hi

I send this denial letter and after 2 weeks they send me another letter and still want money, what now?

Please help.

 

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Hi

I send this denial letter and after 2 weeks they send me another letter and still want money, what now?

Please help.

 

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Legally, as far as I am aware, you have done all you need to do to satisfy the rules of pre action protocol, you can now ignore them until you receive a court summons (which you won't get) or you can write again denying it again and just add you will not respond again. Bare in mind, you will get a 3rd letter and a 4th perhaps, they just want to break you. Stick to your guns.

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