This is floating around on Slyck and Torrentfreak, it's well worth watching. I have no idea who to thank for this so " THANK YOU !!!" Enjoy:rockon: ************************************************ edit by BankFodder 5th October 2010:- Link above removed and replaced HERE I can confirm that this is a hilarious video and big thanks to FloppyDog for noticing it and for telling us all about it.

Why were Sky not there...............they already bent over and gave names to GM. I know, soneone close to me already got a letter saying that they had downloaded some crap from Ministry of Sound and wanted £ 375.00 ( if paid, you could keep your alleged download and everything would be Hunky Dory.......AS IF !!!!! )

@Flyyyte - Not a problem. We are all here trying to give our opinions and views and I hope that we are all learning that when a collection of like minded people get together, good things can be accomplished. However as I said I believe this is still going to happen until such times as a law can be passed to stop it, IMO with regards to the ISP's they are making good money out of giving data away and as long as they send it encrypted (B.T. probably will from now on) they feel that they have done their bit.

It appears to me no matter what the outcome, these (insert your own expletive here) will be around in one shape or another. The courts could really make it a little more difficult by asking all of these companies to limit the NPO to one name at a time rather than batches. I wonder how that would affect their business model. ?

Great News !!!........What is regretful is that he will still be able to continue his current line of letters until then.

As you said about Talk Talk,I'am sure that they have more info than they are giving us. When they have asked for the ISP provider they will be given the info in the style of Be-Unlimited at that time used by B Sky B. So if it said Talk Talk they would obviously ignore it. IMO.

@kilotango22 - Just a little note to say that the ISP they are quoting is the one who had that IP address on line at the time. Please remember that O2, Orange, Plusnet, Sky etc etc rent lines off of other companies to make sure they can supply their quota.

@count orlock - actually the ip address of Bing is - 65.55.175.254

The shared folder is the default for all of these programmes like u torrent, bit torrent, firewire, limewire etc - so it concludes that if it is in that folder it must be dodgy !!. It is also the default for Microsoft software like, Word, Excel, Powepoint etc etc

Interesting article - http://www.newsintech.com/2009/10/german-anti-piracy-body-promote-illegal-downloading/700

@8of9 - try this, go to http://drs-software.com/download.php keep it in the German page. Then right hand click the page and translate with Bing. Now watch while your IP address changes magically !!!!

From the pages of Wikipedia + a personal quote Inference is the process of drawing a conclusion by applying heuristics (based on logic, statistics etc.) to observations or hypotheses; or by interpolating the next logical step in an intuited pattern. The conclusion drawn is also called an inference. The laws of valid inference are studied in the field of logic. Human inference (i.e. how humans draw conclusions) is traditionally studied within the field of cognitive psychology; artificial intelligence researchers develop automated inference systems to emulate human inference. Statistical inference allows for inference from quantitative data. Greek philosophers defined a number of syllogisms, correct three-part inferences, that can be used as building blocks for more complex reasoning. We begin with the most famous of them all: 1.All men are mortal 2.Socrates is a man 3.Therefore, Socrates is mortal. The reader can check that the premises and conclusion are true, but Logic is concerned with inference: does the truth of the conclusion follow from that of the premises? The validity of an inference depends on the form of the inference. That is, the word "valid" does not refer to the truth of the premises or the conclusion, but rather to the form of the inference. An inference can be valid even if the parts are false, and can be invalid even if the parts are true. But a valid form with true premises will always have a true conclusion. For example, consider the form of the following symbological track: 1.All A are B 2.C is A 3.Therefore, C is B The form remains valid even if all three parts are false: 1.All apples are blue. 2.A banana is an apple. 3.Therefore, a banana is blue. For the conclusion to be necessarily true, the premises need to be true. Now we turn to an invalid form. 1.All A are B. 2.C is a B. 3.Therefore, C is an A. To show that this form is invalid, we demonstrate how it can lead from true premises to a false conclusion. 1.All apples are fruit. (True) 2.Bananas are fruit. (True) 3.Therefore, bananas are apples. (False) A valid argument with false premises may lead to a false conclusion: 1.All people who have a computer with an internet connection are pirates 2.You say that you have a computer and an internet connection. 3.Therefore, you are a pirate How can logic be this simple ??

Another BIG MISCONCEPTION. Because you are downloading you must be uploading. Anyone who truley knows torrents will agree that if you are downloading (leeching) you can set up the software to allow as many uploaders as you wish or NONE !!!!. Most downloaders setup their software to acheive this. The lawyers all assume that because you are downloading, you must be uploading (distributing) the file.

With regards to you have downloaded 1 and uploaded as many as they want you to believe. They cannot prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you did it. They can argue that that IP address that was allocated to you was being used to make this alleged upload / download. If they were standing over your shoulder looking at you doing it, if they had the police banging on your door when you were doing it, then you could put up your hands and say yep " I'm guilty". What they cannot prove is that the IP address that was allocated was in fact yours (not being spoofed, hijacked or otherwise) and that you were downloading / uploading as they are stating. It is all a game of we say you say. It's almost like Cluedo, Cascada - Evacuate the dancefloor - utorrent. Oh, is that wrong can I have another guess !!!

Just because they send you a letter by second class pigeon post does not prove you did not get it. They assume that because they have send it by Royal Mail and have a list of it then you cannot say you did not get it. I only say Recorded Delivery because you can then prove you sent something back to them. With regards to wether or not you have any files on your computer that you should or should not have is something that you would know. All I can say is if like me you did not do it, then by all means send a LOD. If however you did do it, try and make a more sensible offer than they are trying to extort from you. We are all on this site trying to offer you some guidance, if you are in the crapper so to speak I think that we would all recommend that you seek professional help.