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In order to use them, you will have to copy them into your own post and then give us the answers – preferably in red below each question. You can start by overwriting the prompt: "Give answer here" below each question – and your responses should automatically appear in red   Thank you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   You have received a claim form.   firstly - read all the posts in this thread FIRST...   then copy this first msg to your thread - and put your answer after each question   In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us]     Which Court have you received the claim from ? Name County Court   MCOL Northampton N1 ? Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ? New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?   If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)     Name of the Claimant ? Give answer here   How many defendant's  joint or self ? Give answer here   Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. Give answer here   ^^^^^ NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING THE TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN THE COUNT [example: Issue date 01.03.2014 + 19 days (5 days for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = 19.03.2014 + 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2014] = 33 days in total   Date of issue XX + 19 days ( 5 day for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = XX + 14 days to submit defence = XX (33 days in total)  if your defence filing date falls on a W/End, you must file by friday @4PM     Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim in full (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. state how many digits the account number has.. Give answer here   What is the total value of the claim? Give answer here   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Give answer here   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Give answer here   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? Give answer here Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Give answer here   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? Give answer here   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Give answer here   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Give answer here   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Give answer here   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Give answer here   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Give answer here   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Give answer here   Why did you cease payments? Give answer here   What was the date of your last payment? Give answer here   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Give answer here   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Give answer here   What you need to do now.   Answer the questions above   If you have not already done so – send a CCA request to the claimant for a copy of your agreement (If Applicable) (except for Overdraft/ Mobile/Telephone accounts)   Send a CPR31.14 request to the solicitor named on the claim form for copies of documents mentioned/implied within the claim form. There are two different versions - one for Loans/Credit cards the other for Current accounts   Request 1 - Loans/Credit Cards     Request 2 - Current Accounts     You may use a CPR part 18 request for any other information (not request documents) that you might require in order to defend yourself. Please note that CPR 18 is specifically for Fast Track claims and although technically the claim has yet to be allocated to a track the claimant may refuse to comply for this reason.   If you require CPR Part 18 - this will need to be drafted specifically.   If you are not planning on defending for one reason or another – then you will need to complete an Income and Expenditure form and contact the Solicitor with your proposal. The N9a is already enclosed in the claim pack for Admittance which should be sent to the solicitor named on the claim form   If you are considering making a partial admittance N9b must be completed and returned to the court. Please note in most cases a partial admittance will result in an automatic CCJ for the amount admitted.   You have received a Claim - What you need to do.pdf1.33 MB · 242 downloads     Before Printing the PDF TIP   If you DO NOT wish to print Page 1 (Cover Page) of the PDF, please ensure to do the following:   Ensure you go to your Printer Settings and set it to 'Print from Page 2' (this way Page 1 (Cover Page) should not print out).   Note: This will save you Ink & Paper     Bookmark   Report 3 weeks later...   AndyOrch Posted March 20, 2014 #2   Once you receive a Court Summons N1   As a defendant in a small claims case it is important that you act quickly and do not ignore the claim form when it arrives. Remember, the claim will proceed anyway even if you don’t respond. If the claim goes against you, it will be very difficult to make a counter claim as you didn’t respond to the initial small claim.   You may be unaware that you are the defendant in a small claims case that a Creditor has bought against you. When the small claims form arrives follow these initial steps:   1: Read the Form Carefully   The detail about the claim that is being bought against you will be in the ‘particulars of claim’ section. If this section isn't completed, or has the words ‘particulars of claim to follow’ take no action now and wait until you are sent details of the claim against you. You may want to consult a lawyer at this stage.   2: Respond in Time   It’s vitally important that you respond to the claim for you have been sent. Remember that there is a 19 day (5 +14) time limit on this to acknowledge the claim.You must submit before the 19 days are up, so post your response with plenty of time.If your intention is to defend the claim in full you get a further 14 days to submit your response ...so 33 days in total.   3: Talk to the Claimant   Just because a small claim has been bought against you and a claim form issued, this doesn’t mean you are not allowed to contact the claimant directly. In fact the court encourages you to try and settle the claim without the need for a court appearance. So, try and resolve your dispute directly with the claimant if you can.   Not Responding to a Small Claim   If you ignore the small claims form when it arrives this can have an adverse impact on your financial status. The court will continue with the small claims lawsuit that is being bought against you even in your absence as this is a legal requirement. When the small claim is processed you will be sent a bill showing the amount you owe and any additional costs. The small claims against you is a legal process that will be recorded on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines. This information is used to check your credit, so could have a negative impact when you next apply for any credit. To avoid damaging your credit rating reply to your small claims docket as soon as you can.   How to Respond to Your Small Claims Form   When you received your form from the court you will also have been sent a response pack. In this pack you will see the option that are open to you. These include:   • A dispute claim form. You can use this form if you do not agree that you are liable for the small claim being bought against you and wish to submit a Defence. • Details about how to pay the amount being claimed from you. • Details about how to admit to part of the small claim against you, and how you can ask the claimant for more time to pay.   There are Two Types of Small Claims:   Fixed Amounts:   If the claim against you is for a fixed amount of money your response pack will contain three forms. Form N9 (acknowledgement of Service), form N9A (admission form) and N9B (defence and counterclaim form).   Unspecified Amounts:   If the amount being claimed is unspecified you will be sent forms N9 and N9C (admission form) and N9D (defence and counterclaim form). It is vital that you read the accompanying explanatory notes before choosing which form to send back.   Paying the Small Claim   If you want to make full payment of the amount being claimed against you this amount will be shown on the claim for you have been sent, and will also have details about where to send the money. Don’t forget, this must be done within the 14 day time limit or your case will proceed to the next stage.   In some instances you would like to pay, but need more time, you can give details about the delay you would like on form N9A, which should be in your response pack. It’s also a good idea to read leaflet EX309: The Defendant Admits by claim as this gives more details on this aspect of your case when fixed amounts of money are involved. Leaflet EX308 gives details of cases when unspecified amounts are being claimed against you.   Also please read forms EX326 and EX160A   How to Defend a Claim Against You   Disputed claims are handled by filling in the appropriate form from your response pack. You have three choices: Form N9, N9B or N9D. Read the note accompanying each form carefully to ensure you completely correctly. Pay special attention to the allegations raised on the form. If you don’t respond to each the court will assume you are admitting guilt. Edited April 10, 2014 by stu007 Updated PDF added    1   Bookmark   Report 2 months later...   citizenB   Posted June 5, 2014 #3   PLEASE NOTE - WARNING   Once you have received your claim form - the Court timetable comes into force. Not that of the creditor or claimant. If you have requested information with them after the claim has been issued - or have entered into discussion with them and they say something like "We will put this on hold for a period of time". You cannot and must not ignore the timetable from the court.   This thread should serve as an example   http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?416202&p=4547677#post4547677   The OP in the case above was in communication with the CAG Vodafone rep. A claim was issued during this time. The Rep in good faith said he would ask the Claimant to put things on hold.... they did not.. the OP ignored advice from caggers to continue with the court timetable and did not submit a defence. The claimaint obtained a Judgment by default. Edited June 5, 2014 by citizenB     Bookmark   Report 3 yr AndyOrch changed the title to You have received a Court Claim ISSUED IN ENGLAND & WALES What you need to do   style="text-align: center;">     Thread Locked because no one has posted on it for the last 3638 days. 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However, I still maintain that there is no point in pursuing the CRA for default removals. You need to pursue the person who is sending the data to them in the first place.

 

Agreed. They have far less to lose either way.

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Thanks for your reply.

 

If someone were to take the CRA to court, and were to lose, it is likely they would end up with a massive legal bill, assuming the CRA get top barristers and solicitors to fight their corner?

 

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Well said, and hopefully one day we will be granted our day in court.

 

However, I still maintain that there is no point in pursuing the CRA for default removals. You need to pursue the person who is sending the data to them in the first place.

 

If on the other hand a person wants the CRA's to stop processing their data, then that will have to be court action. If it was to ever end up in Court and they lost, then their whole business model collapses.

 

I can see a CRA throwing mega bucks at this sort of action to defend their case.

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maybe. It all depends on the track your claim is allocated to, how well you present your argument and how well you manage your case.

 

That's part of the reason that I advise challenging the individual subscribers first.

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I have a question …

 

Once I get all of my charges back from all my accounts I will close all of those accounts (mainly store cards and catalogues that I will never use again). Once I do this I do not want this information to be shown on my credit file as I would like to take out a mortgage in a year or so. I would like to know which would be my best option in getting this done.

 

1. Write to the relevant company and ask them to stop processing my data (will this remove the account from the CRA file?)

2. Or write to the CRA’s and state that I haven’t given them consent to store my data once the account is closed (will this remove the account from the CRA file?)

 

I am not planning on doing this for a few months yet until my claim timetable has ended, so I will have plenty of time to read up on this and familiarise myself with the regulations and process

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

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Surly say's option 2 is the most efficient way and results in less letter writing if you have more than 3!

 

My experience is that the CRAs are harder to budge than the subscribers, I've had my limited success so far by badgering both although I have had to begin court action against the subscribers not the CRAs (yet!)

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I've been reading what you all have been saying, and it seems that this may be hard to prove as consent is't needed and they think 6 years is a resonable time!!

 

Will it look odd to a creditor if I only had 3 accounts in credit accounts in 6 years? as I wasn't to get rid of all of the bad ones and keep the good ones that are to show that I can run my accounts efficenlty.

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and therin lies the issue.

 

defaults are bad news regardless of whether they are settled or not, although their impact on your score does diminish in time.

 

You are correct that a 'low' number of credit accounts relative to the population as a whole has a negative impact on your score, but this isn't as big an impact as a defaults or 'accounts in arrears'

 

My advice is to work hard to remove all negative accounts on your file, by negative i mean anything with more than a few '2' markers on it. the odd '1's here and there are ok.

 

Once that has been achieved, (3 months I reckon!) work hard on keeping up payments on time with existing accounts. Don't apply for any credit for about 6 months and then you should be ok.

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I am interested to know though, if you were to effectively take yourself out of the automated searches, theoretically you could be penalised by the searching company, as they would assume that you have something to hide - or am I barking up the wrong tree?

 

A few people have brought this point back up but it has never really been answered fully (if I'm wrong then I'm sorry but I couldn't find any answers except that SB said that it hasn't affected him), seems like this needs to be answered before anyone thinks about doing it. I'd consider it but what implications for future mortgage applications etc would this have?

 

Can anyone be 100% sure that it wouldn't be damaging?

 

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A few people have brought this point back up but it has never really been answered fully (if I'm wrong then I'm sorry but I couldn't find any answers except that SB said that it hasn't affected him), seems like this needs to be answered before anyone thinks about doing it. I'd consider it but what implications for future mortgage applications etc would this have?

 

Can anyone be 100% sure that it wouldn't be damaging?

 

Wxx

 

Where did he say that? He doesn't have a blanket ban on his Credit File, and as far as I'm aware no one on here has :grin:

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Hi Tink. What I think they are getting at is this quote from Surleybond in post 20.

 

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"All I will say is that having removed two accounts that were in default, and then removing all historic accounts completely, has not affected my ability to get credit, and have just taken out two more phone accounts. However, that should also be viewed in the context that I also have a lot of the other 'plus' factors that are taken into account when credit scoring applications, namely marital status, 2 dependants, job type, length of employment, salary band, time at residence, homeowner, etc. All these, and more, are used in the overall score calculation"

 

Surely this reads that he has put the ban on automatic searches into place yet still was able to get 2 accounts that would usualy involve getting searched via the CRAs

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Hi Tink. What I think they are getting at is this quote from Surleybond in post 20.

 

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"All I will say is that having removed two accounts that were in default, and then removing all historic accounts completely, has not affected my ability to get credit, and have just taken out two more phone accounts. However, that should also be viewed in the context that I also have a lot of the other 'plus' factors that are taken into account when credit scoring applications, namely marital status, 2 dependants, job type, length of employment, salary band, time at residence, homeowner, etc. All these, and more, are used in the overall score calculation"

 

Surely this reads that he has put the ban on automatic searches into place yet still was able to get 2 accounts that would usualy involve getting searched via the CRAs

 

No. What he said is that he removed two specific types of entries from his credit file.

 

Historical accounts, as in accounts that are no longer used, and defaulted accounts.:)

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I agree with what you say Tink. I can see how Willow could read it the way she has. As we always get told (read and read again) I did around 4 times with that statement coming to the same conclusion as Willow until the penny dropped and figured out that historical data could be removed without having the blanket automatic proceesing ban in place.

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Not as far as i have seen Willow. The problem i could see with doing this is that if the automated ban was in place and a search was made it would exclude any info that isnt in the public domain. So assume that you hive a high score (which probably wouldnt be excluded) then the company would probably grant the credit, however if the score was medium and they needed to check why and the info wasnt there then logicaly they would assume that you have something to hide and would either refuse or contact you for more information.

The second option would probably be out of the question for 2 reasons being firstly most searches are only concerned with the actual score as they are automated and secondly the staff probably havnt got enough interlect to process the information thats put in front of them as I have found out to my cost.

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I've had an interesting comment from GE Money:

 

"Ge Money disagrees with your interpretation of section 12 of the Act. It is only when a decision is made by automated processing that you are permitted to make an application for this decision to be reconsidered manually. This section applies where credit decisions are made at the point of application. if you have been declined for credit and the lender concerned confirms that the decision was made via an automated process, then you have the right to appeal against this decision and request that you application be manually reviewed".

 

Huh?????????? :|

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having a problem with Natwest, I asked them for a copy of my credit agreement with them for a credit card which they have supplied (I think, it is an application for credit?) and also a signed true and certified copy of the original default notice.

They have sent me a standard letter generated from there system because they say this is how they hand out default notices. because of this, they are unable to supply me with a copy of the original default notice as these are not kept.

They said that they feel that they are not in breach of section 78 of the Consumer Credit Act, I think they are but am looking for some clarification before sending them another letter, any help would be very much appreciated.

Also, does anyone know where I can see a copy of the act? Been searching but with no joy!

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having a problem with NatWest, I asked them for a copy of my credit agreement with them for a credit card which they have supplied (I think, it is an application for credit?) and also a signed true and certified copy of the original default notice.

 

They have sent me a standard letter generated from there system because they say this is how they hand out default notices. because of this, they are unable to supply me with a copy of the original default notice as these are not kept.

 

They said that they feel that they are not in breach of section 78 of the Consumer Credit Act, I think they are but am looking for some clarification before sending them another letter, any help would be very much appreciated.

 

Also, does anyone know where I can see a copy of the act? Been searching but with no joy!

 

Stuart

 

Have you had a look in the Library? :rolleyes:

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