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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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So now it's time for you to ignore them and don't let them fluster you.

 

If someone DOES turn up at your home, follow the advise, politely and firmly. They have no power whatsoever, and they know it. Don't engage in any coversations.

 

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Received a letter yesterday from Barclaycard stating what they had sent me my agreement (only ever rec'd photocopies of t&cs)and that as far as they were concerned a/c was not in dispute. Phone call from withheld no to my mobile from Calder Financial:-?. Who are they and is there anything else I should do?

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Hi Nancy,

 

Calders are just another DCA who work for BC.

 

I see you sent your CCA request in mid March and got T&C's back in response.

 

Take a look here and see if you fancy making a complaint to the FOS - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/201069-barclaycard-bradley68.html

 

May be worth the cost of a stamp. :)

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Hi Nancy,

 

Any complaint should be in writing if you want it taken seriously.

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Just received a text message on my mobile from RMA whoever they are. They wanted me to ring them back or text back and they would get someone to contact me. Feeling rather brave I decided to text back with this reply.

Bugger off ref ............. is in dispute since April. I won't be paying anything til I see a copy of an agreement. DO NOT contact me again I know my rights thanks to CAG.

Did I do the right thing:confused:

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Thanks Nancy !! Just had to wipe sprayed tea off my computer screen. :D

 

Yes, that's right thing to do. Perhaps not QUITE what our template letter says but I'm sure they'll understand what you mean. ;)

 

RMA are just another DCA used by BC.

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Hi Nancyspain

Have Barclayshark ever passed you onto another of their depts called Calders?,I had mercers hasslong me for a long time and like you they set Scottcall on me for a short while but now got Calders which is still Barcalyshark in diguise and seem to be no different from Mercers! The only thing is in a rather pathetic attempt to intimidate people they call themselves Calders Legal services:rolleyes: Wonder if RMA will be set on me next!:eek:

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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Hi Nancy,

 

Your options are:-

 

1. Simply ignore, but be aware they may return. Check out the Debt Collectors Library and see my Article about how to handle any home visit.

 

2. Call the number but withhold your number before calling. If they have your mobile or home number, they'll hound you with calls.

 

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Card left in hall today from credit solutions obviously called to house card has mobile number and name of collector, should I ring him or just leave it, is there any chance they would call to house again?

 

Keep a camera to hand and photograph any collectors coming to your house. Take a picture of their car licence plate number as well. Tell them to leave your property. they have no legal right to be there and must leave on request.

Advice and comments posted by The Debt Star reflect only my personal opinion and it is up to you alone to decide what action you should take. You should always seek independent legal advice from your own qualified legal advisor.

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I would personally regard photography as an optional extra.

 

Many folk would feel awkward or nervous about taking pics of the callers or their cars.

 

The vast majority of doorstep callers leave peacefully when asked and taking pics may cause problems unnecessarily.

 

The aim is to not engage at all with the callers, so they realise they are not going to get any co-operation, and leave.

 

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I think this account will be SB in a couple of months what should I do now?

 

Probably best to do nothing for now.

 

Do you know for sure when you last made a pay't to BC for this a/c.

 

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Hi Nancy,

 

You need to check for sure when you last made a payment. This is crucial in deciding when the debt is SB'd, or not. Find out and let us know.

 

You should not respond to the letter for now. There is no obligation for you to do so.

 

Definitely do NOT call them.

 

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Hi Nancy,

 

If your last payment was Feb 2009, the a/c should be SB'd around May this year. Maybe a month earlier if the last pay't was Jan 2009.

 

" .......... how would I get this info?" Do nothing at all. Let them make whatever moves they wish. The more time that passes, the better.

 

If they decide to take court action, they'll do it unless you acknowledge the debt and offer to make a payment. This, of course, will re-set the SB clock for another 6 years.

 

Sit tight and do nothing. If they contact you, a CCA request may be the way forward.

 

Just let us know what happens.

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

2 letters received ( I have 2 cards ) 1 from PRA Group stating from 1st March Cabot has appointed them to manage their on going relationship with me & to contact them about payment. The 2nd from CCS Collect to contact them to pay back in installments to suit my financial circumstances.

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Hi Nancy,

 

I would continue to ignore for now ..............

 

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