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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Can anyone tell me what the Law says about having time off for Dental or Doctors appointments? Does the employer have to allow you time for this?

 

Also what about taking a son or daughter for a dentists appointment? Does the employer legally have to allow this without asking for the time to be made up?

 

Thanks in advance.:-)

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It is my understanding that there is no statutory right to have time off to visit the Dr. or Dentist

 

With regards to dependants again there is no statutory right for time off with the exception in a failure of normal care arrangements, you are allowed, to take unpaid leave, in order to deal with emergency situations regarding dependants.

 

I would say that a routine visit to the Dr or Dentist would not fall under this heading but this is open to interpretation may be dependant upon the reason of the visit.

 

I would be interested in sidewinder or Che's thoughts on this.

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Hi Freaky

 

The doc is basically right in order to implement an EU directive the UK Parliament inserted a new s.57A into the ERA 1996 which is often referred to as Time off for Dependents.

 

The right however, as the doc rightly states, is limited to 'emergency situations' such as accidents, unexpected disruptions in care etc. It would not extend to pre-booked GP / Dentist appointments as by their definition you had advance notice of these.

 

The right could be used by you saying that I had arranged for a childminder to take my child to the GP and 1 hour before or on the day they phoned me and told me that they could not come - this unexpected disruption would probably bring you within the Act, but I don't think this is really what you were asking.

 

Parental leave can exist in certain circumstances but this must be taken in minimum blocks of one week - so doesn't really cover your question.

 

Finally check any handbook / policies / contract - large companies sometimes have an actual policy re gp appointments etc

 

Hope this helps

 

Che

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Thanks chaps. All as much as I thought really.

It's not me but Mrs Freaky who is having a hard time from one of the HR bods in her place.

I was hoping she could throw something legally binding at her.

 

It's a bit of a poor show if she has to feign an emergency for the sake of a 10 minute check up.

 

Thanks for all the information.:)

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Not sure about the accuracy of everything in that link DMD, helpful of course though it is.

 

For example it states the right is to paid time off.

 

Check out some of these links:

 

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg...0898061&r.s=tl

 

ACAS : Acas - Working parents

 

AMICUS: Your right to dependant's leave

 

They all suggest that the right is unpaid. Perhaps there is another right that they were referring to in the law and parents link?

 

I'm happy to stand corrected, but I am not aware of any statutory right to dependent leave that would be paid.

 

Kind regards

 

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Think it's discretionary at the moment.

 

I worked in the public sector for a while and we were encouraged to make our appointments at the beginning or end of the working day. We did have our time made up to equate to the full day though....although this didn't equate to much in practice as I was working far in excess of the standard day anyway.

 

The ironic part was one day when I woke up with an eye infection. I got an emergency Optician's appointment to check it out thoroughly as I wear contact lenses. I then went to my GP's and picked up a prescription for antibiotic drops before going to work. Think it took less than 45 mins in total.

 

However, my request for my time to be made up for the Opticians appointment was refused as it was against the Employer's Policy!

 

So, I should have stayed at home for a further 30 minutes waiting for my GP's surgery to open...then made an emergency appointment for after morning surgery...and then I would have been lucky to have got into work by lunch time. BUT I would have had the morning credited!! And they wonder why the country's in such a mess!!!

 

Back to post...has Mrs Freaky offered to make the time up??

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Just found this at CAB...

 

 

Time off to visit the doctor or dentist

Your employer may allow you time off work to visit the doctor or dentist but they are not legally required to do so unless your contract of employment says they are. Your employer can, for example, insist that you make these visits outside work hours, that you take holiday leave or that you make the time up later on. You should check your contract of employment to see what rights you have to take time off for doctors or dental appointments.

Pregnant women, however, are allowed reasonable paid time off work for ante-natal care. This time does not need to be made up later on.

If you are disabled and your employer will not let you take time off for a medical appointment connected with your disability, they could be breaking the law.

 

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/e_time_off_work.pdf

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I have to admit I do become a little frustrated with people who seem to expect to be paid by their employer whether or not they actually do any work.

 

There is already a huge cost to employers in meeting the statutory requirements, and when myself and the other "bosses" at my company get paid late, short and sometimes even not at all in order that we can meet our contractual obligations to our employees, it really does get frustrating when said employees then expect to be able to take time off work for various reasons (in of itself not too much of a problem) but then expect to be paid for not working.

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I have to admit I do become a little frustrated with people who seem to expect to be paid by their employer whether or not they actually do any work.

 

There is already a huge cost to employers in meeting the statutory requirements, and when myself and the other "bosses" at my company get paid late, short and sometimes even not at all in order that we can meet our contractual obligations to our employees, it really does get frustrating when said employees then expect to be able to take time off work for various reasons (in of itself not too much of a problem) but then expect to be paid for not working.

 

Don't disagree as there are always some who will abuse the system....and still do.

 

However, a little flexibility goes a long way with the work force, especially if parents of young children. In my case, my GP's surgery doesn't start until 9.30am and is closed on Saturdays. For a pm appointment you have to have your phone contantly on re-dial at 9am (which isn't always practical) and the appointments are all gone by 10 past!!

 

It all depends on your companies policies and procedures but I don't think it's unreasonable for staff to make the time up.

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Give and take is the key - flexibility is fine as long as its a two way street. Sadly there are some employees who see give and take as employer gives and employees take. (having been an employee I have worked for companies that are the exact opposite)

 

Certainly we do take pains to accommodate reasonable requests from our guys - and in the main they do return the compliment.

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