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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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just wanted to say hello and ask has any Royal Bank of Scotland customers recieved a full settlement yet????? They owe me thousand and I have just recieved the fob off letter. what do I do next?????? send a letter telling them that I intend to take court action????? be glad to hear from others who are further down the line. thanks very much x

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Welcome Rbos,

 

Take a look at the Royal Bank of Scotland forum and start your own thread. Members will soon put you on the right track to getting back what was taken.

:) Go on ... you know you want to click me :)

:lol:don't be like the banks - give a little back :lol:

:D There was a time before CAG but now CAG is here we are the empowered! :D

In progress:

Mechs and Mother (deceased) V Halifax - N1 form filed at Court 9 Aug 06

Advice & opinions of mechs, The Consumer Action Group and The Bank Action Group are offered informally, without prejudice & without liability. Seek advice of a qualified insured professional if you have any doubts.

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Welcome Rbos,

 

Take a look at the Royal Bank of Scotland forum and start your own thread. Members will soon put you on the right track to getting back what was taken.

 

Thanks Mechs:D X

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Just recieved the fob of letter. what do I do next? do I write and threaten court action???? be really grateful if somebody further down the line could give me a bit of advice. Incidentally, has anybody recieved a full and final settlement from the RBOS???.

 

Thanks all

Angela:oops:

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Assuming that you sent the library prelim letter, you should now proceed to the letter before action stage. There's a template in the Library.

Thanks ;)

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Assuming that you sent the library prelim letter, you should now proceed to the letter before action stage. There's a template in the Library.

 

Just wondering if you can help me. I have sent my LBA today I have split my cliam which was £5,990 into two seperate amounts saying that from Nov 2001-2004 my charges were etc...and the second letter for the dates 2004 - 2006. this was to keep the amounts within the small claims court. should I have sent the letters on different dates? I am hoping the bank will treat them as 2 seperate claims although it is the one account. have I made a cock-up? would be really grateful for some advice on this matter:-|

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Just wondering if you can help me. I have sent my LBA today I have split my cliam which was £5,990 into two seperate amounts saying that from Nov 2001-2004 my charges were etc...and the second letter for the dates 2004 - 2006. this was to keep the amounts within the small claims court. should I have sent the letters on different dates? I am hoping the bank will treat them as 2 seperate claims although it is the one account. have I made a cock-up? would be really grateful for some advice on this matter:-|

 

Post moved - please stick to your own thread and do not duplicate questions!

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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thanks. I've sent the bank the 2 LBA's so should I just file 1 court action or am I stuffed because I have sent the 2 claims to0 the bank at the same time. Sorry to sound dim but I would be really grateful for any advice

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Just file one court action at a time, once you have the first one resolved then do the second one. The LBA's dont really matter, its just important you've sent them.... it doesnt matter when the action takes place, it could be that you state 14 days but dont pursue it for 6 weeks - completely up to you.

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Just file one court action at a time, once you have the first one resolved then do the second one. The LBA's dont really matter, its just important you've sent them.... it doesnt matter when the action takes place, it could be that you state 14 days but dont pursue it for 6 weeks - completely up to you.

 

Once again thanks for your help.

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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I am about to send my LBA for my 2nd claim and will point out that they can settle now for the full amount outstanding, or I will pursue a further 2 claims incurring a further x amount in court costs and interest.

"Who gives you extra?..."

Bank of Scotland round 1: £740 + costs settled, still sore over the 8% grrr

Bank of Scotland round 2: £629 +101.15 interest +£39 costs settled.

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did they settle your 1st claim following your first LBA? and did they respond within 14 days? What I don't understand is that different people are being responded to in different ways by the same bank.The same bank doesn't seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Glad you have had some of your cash back though, it's certainly a positive step. Good luck and thanks for taking the trouble to reply to my thread.

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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did they settle your 1st claim following your first LBA? and did they respond within 14 days? What I don't understand is that different people are being responded to in different ways by the same bank.The same bank doesn't seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Glad you have had some of your cash back though, it's certainly a positive step. Good luck and thanks for taking the trouble to reply to my thread.

 

No I had to raise a claim in the sherriff court to get the refund. I had previosly had a telephone offer of 6 months worth of charges to which I said no. I've received nothing to sign to say it was full and final settlement, so heres to the next £750 !

Bank of Scotland round 1: £740 + costs settled, still sore over the 8% grrr

Bank of Scotland round 2: £629 +101.15 interest +£39 costs settled.

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Well on July 1st I confidently thrust 2 LBA's into the hand of my bank manager and smiled sweetly before demanding a reciept for them. I've been rushing home from work everyday hoping for my response. Today I got it. I thought I would get some sort of offer but oh no!

 

It's from Tommy McLean and it' says blah, blah, blah.....sorry we have failed to reach an agreement with you....( what Agreement???)...I regret blah blah that there is little I can add constructively to previous comments but having reviewed your account, I can find no instance where charges have been applied when they were not properly due. They have all be associated with a lack of covering funds in the account at the time these items were presented for payment. Accordingly, the charges that have been applied to your account should stand. Therefore this is the bank's final response to you on this matter!!!!! You may wish to seek the opinion of the Financial Ombudsman and the leaflet enclosed tells you more about the scheme and how to contact them.....blah, blah, blah!!!!

 

I am pretty certain that I have read the exact response on somebody's thread, so I'm guessing that this is again probably a standard letter.

 

I feel really deflated now, could somebody please give me some thoughts on this letter. Last week I was in fighting mode but now I'm no soooo sure. They owe me over £6,000 if you include interest ( i'm claiming in 2 amounts). Please make me smile again........Thanks all :sad:

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Thanks Michael.....Yep Moneyclaim will be done on Tuesday. I just don't understand why others get some offer of a goodwill gesture and why I don't get a bean. It's the same bank and yet they are not singing from the same hymnsheet. Well nodody messes with me so watch out Tommy McLean.......... I'm pretty annoyed now.....and I'm on my way to get you!!!!!!!!!!!

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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I guess more and mor epeople are turning down small goodwill gestures so they perhaps feel it is not necessary in cases where a substantial amount in 4 figures is being claimed!

BOS

Claim No.3 for £589.75+8%, Decree received, Sheriffs Officers instructed to serve a charge 21/4!

Claim No.4:- claiming £1507.00, Court Papers submitted 5/4 !

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Hi All, wonder if somebody can give me some advice. I have sent a prelim to the RBOS and was fobbed off and then sent my LBA'S and once again fobbed off. I didn't send a schedule of charges, I have almost £6,000 of bounced d/d etc over overdraft charges, card missue charges. I did however make a general reference to what the charges I am claiming are for. I am due to issue my MCOL on Tuesday. What should I do and will me not sending this schedule of charges make a huge difference. I understand that I will have to have this should I proceed to court. should I forward this to my bank even though they have fobbed me off following my LBA's? Any advice please? :-(

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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It shouldn't make any real difference as things stand. You probably should send a schedule to the bank with a brief covering letter stating that this is how the claim is made up. You could also send a copy to MCOL and ask them to associate it with your clai,

 

The alternative (and better imho) approach is to use the manual N1 form and take it court with your charges schedule.

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Thanks for your advice seminole. You think I will be better doing a manual claim as opposed to MCOL? that's no problem but could you briefly explain why? would be grateful just so I know EXACTLY what I'm doing

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Yes, I can see where you are coming from with that. I don't really see that it makes much difference and as the County court is down the road I don't see MCOL being any quicker really. Thanks seminole.... great to have people on here who really do know what they are talking about ;)

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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can anybody help please. I completed my MCOL and it was issued on 20/07/06. I was feeling rather pleased. A copy of my claim came through from Northhampton court. I was feel rather pleased as I read it and then shock, horror, I realised that I had not put my account no. on my claim ( I have had a lot of personal problems recently and my mind was elsewhere) is this going to make a difference to my claim? can I forward the account no to the defendant, can they identify me from my address? I am really worried now and thinking that I have blown it. I would be grateful if anybody could offer me any advice with this problem. Many thanks

Angela:(

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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