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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business Centre, Northampton Name of the Claimant ? CA Auto Finance UK Limited How many defendant's  joint or self ? One (self) Date of issue –  02 May 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – Unpaid car loan 1. By an agreement in writing dated 26 November 2015 and made between the Claimant and the Defendant, the Claimant loaned the Defendant a sum of money. The agreement was Regulated. 2. The Defendant failed to make payment of the sums due and the Agreement was terminated by the Claimant. 3. On the 7 February 2019 the balance due from the Defendant was £8,196,38. The Defendant has paid £0.00.       THE CLAIMANT THEREFORE CLAIMS  1. £8,196,38 2. Contractual interest to the date hereof £0.00 3. Further interest at 10.70 per annum (£0.00) per day until judgement or sooner payment. 4. Costs to be assessed. CLAIMANTS CLAIM £8,196.38                                         What is the total value of the claim? £8751.38 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Car Loan When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In Branch Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Creditor was FCA Automotive Services UK Limited Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? No and No Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? Unaffordable What was the date of your last payment? Feb 28 2018 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Yes (irresponsible lending and they did not supply all documents when CCA sent. The Terms and Conditions they sent as part of the request were different to the original Ts and Cs. Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No    
    • Thank you. You contacted directly with the parcel broker so your best option is to proceed directly against them for breach of contract. I hope you have read enough to understand that you will not be able to rely on the Consumer Rights Act 2015. Do you understand why? Have Parcel to Go giving you a reason for declining reimbursement? Do you have anything in writing from your customer which shows that they did not refuse delivery and which identifies the actual circumstances of the situation?
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As has been stated before, Black's is American, so doesn't apply here. It's also a dictionary, which gives definitions, not interpretations.

 

We're back to FOTL playing with semantics and thinking that they equate to rights. And UK irrelevant ones at that. :rolleyes:

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you will find such a definition in blacks law dictionary.

Have a look at Black's. The first definition in Black's for "person" says "a human being". But you are falling at the first hurdle, as do all of the FOTL.

As Bookie says a legal dictionary is just a dictionary. It is not law. A legal dictionary is not a legal authority. It is futile running a case based on a law dictionary. A dictionary is not persuasive. Courts make decisions based on law.

 

corporations are legal persons.

Indeed they are.

 

does it not follow that persons are corporations?

No it doesn't.

One thing FOTL have difficulty in understanding is that in law whilst all persons are not human beings, all human beings are persons. Study law, not youtube videos.

 

you may have a bank account but you are not your bank account.

And your point is?

 

likewise, you have a person but you are not your person.

Yes you are. This strawman argument is not correct. The legal profession do not recognise it.

acts, statutes and byelaws only apply to the person, unless you consent.

 

Absolutely false.

I challenge you to provide a reference in law to back up that claim.

I have plenty of time, you're going to need it.

consent has been given so readily that it is now assumed and confirmed by fulfilling requests including answering questions.

Consent is given by choosing to reside in any country. If you continue to live here you must follow society's rules. If you don't like it you are always free to leave.

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thanks for engaging in sensible debate.

 

i'm off to the high court, london [no.71] again today where the guy purporting to be a judge has refused to honour his oath twice.

 

ask any constable about his oath and the common law.

 

Oaths

 

i am not a person.

 

what is the name of the society you mention? i suggest that it's the law society of which we arent members and as such we cant read or write the rules. legal people are members of the law society and so are bound not to question their own existence.

 

legal and lawful are different. the law of the land is common law. acts, statutes and byelaws are business legislation.

 

why should i leave the country where i was born? can i leave without a pass-port?

 

are the following shipping terms just coincidence?:

birth [of a ship or person], dock [in a court], pass-port, trans-port, air-port.

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why should i leave the country where i was born? can i leave without a pass-port?

 

are the following shipping terms just coincidence?:

birth [of a ship or person], dock [in a court], pass-port, trans-port, air-port.

If you're French, an ID card is sufficient for most European countries, actually. :razz:

 

So are those terms a coincidence? Errrr no, it's called "etymology". :-?

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thanks for engaging in sensible debate.

 

i'm off to the high court, london [no.71] again today where the guy purporting to be a judge has refused to honour his oath twice.

Don't start that argument about the judicial oath. A member of the judiciary is not required to provide evidence of their oath in court.

ask any constable about his oath and the common law.

 

What has that got to do with your judge?

i am not a person.

 

In law you are. In case you missed it before, I'll say it again:

In law not all persons are human beings, but all human beings are persons. You may not like that and wish it were different, but that's how it is.

what is the name of the society you mention?

Call it what you like, the population of the UK is as good as any. Are you suggesting that society does not exist?

i suggest that it's the law society of which we arent members and as such we cant read or write the rules. legal people are members of the law society and so are bound not to question their own existence.

I've just realised by that rubbish, I know you

 

legal and lawful are different.

In certain circumstances yes, but not in the way you are suggesting. You really have trouble understanding law don't you?

the law of the land is common law. acts, statutes and byelaws are business legislation.

Wow, you really are way down that rabbithole aren't you? You obviously know nothing about law. Research more.

 

why should i leave the country where i was born? can i leave without a pass-port?

You don't have to leave. But whilst you're here you have to follow the law.

Unless of course you are willing to prove by action that you are not bound by statute law. Are you up for a challenge?

 

are the following shipping terms just coincidence?:

birth [of a ship or person], dock [in a court], pass-port, trans-port, air-port.

Ha ha. Admiralty eh? You are really struggling aren't you. Er, berth and birth? Do you have learning difficulties?

dock is an old word for a pen for caged animals.

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Why oh why are you people responding to this crap. There has never been an answer to anything asked and never will be. You are just perpetuating crap.

 

I'm not sure if they are trying to turn you or themselves.

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Why oh why are you people responding to this crap. There has never been an answer to anything asked and never will be. You are just perpetuating crap.

 

I'm not sure if they are trying to turn you or themselves.

The FOTL argument is easily debunked, but they will never see that.

It is ironic that the OP of this thread pleasuredome thought he knew it all and claimed statutes were not law and ended up in prison owing the best part of four grand in costs.

He was a follower of John Harris and believed everything Harris told him.

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Why oh why are you people responding to this crap. There has never been an answer to anything asked and never will be. You are just perpetuating crap.

 

I'm not sure if they are trying to turn you or themselves.

well, it's that or sorting a huge pile of washing and I am desperately trying to find excuses not to do it. :-D
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This is a very good read:

 

The Freeman Movement and England - JREF Forum

 

It is many many pages long, but gives an excellent insight how the brainwashed FOTL operate, it is well worth reading.

I have a sneaky feeling that peace2k is "Especially" in the thread above. He also posts as notwattyler on tpuc.org. I recognise his style.

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well, it's that or sorting a huge pile of washing and I am desperately trying to find excuses not to do it. :-D

 

 

That is without doubt the best and most sensible post on the whole thread. :D

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95 pages, woo-hoo, that's my excuse for not sorting out the laundry sorted!!!
Interestingly the infamous Rob Menard enters the debate about thirty pages in but soon realises he is beaten by the critical thinkers of the randi forum and leaves after making very few posts.
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a QC barrister today confirmed that blacks is accurate. person has several definitions. one is a natural person [or human being - my words]. one is a corporate legal fiction. it depends on what definition is being used.

 

is an illegal immigrant a person?

 

one real world example:

 

a friend of mine was in juvenile court for the victim-less crime of 'possessing articles with the intent of causing criminal damage to property of persons unknown'.

he asked the judge if he had an oath of office. the judge left in silence and returned to 'try again'. he was asked the same question and left in silence again. my then friend said:

'does anyone here have a claim on me?'

'as no-one has a claim on me, my business is done and i'm leaving'

 

the case has disappeared, no warrant issued.

 

explain that one. no doubt you'll say they couldnt be bothered to follow it up. show me any other example where this is the case.

 

i can provide a more detailed report on the high court case if anyone is interested. the legal system is totally corrupt. those that deny the obvious are likely suffering cognitive dissonance.

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