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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi Su..yep, exactly as described above...it will be heard in Chambers, and is relaxed. Call the Judge Sir or Madam. Had a chat with a colleague last night, and we both think you shouldn't go all guns blazing as the Judge won't simply order that VW return all the money..Explain about you not getting to court, explain what happened with the repo before you've had a copy of the Order from the court, explain that you handed the keys over because of the threats of police etc etc. Tell him that your original intention was to seek a time order but that events since then have led you to rethink and see what he comes up with. By not being represented you will find most judges will help you, he is unlikely to be impressed with the actions of VW finance and their representatives, and will probably without giving advice set out how best the court will deal with it. As ever any jitters you know where i am.

 

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As you are on you own acting in person the Judge will probally lead you and ask you questions just relax and speak when he asks the otherside will probally not tell the truth but try not to let it upset you

 

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I have received a letter from the courts this morning post dated 31/12/08 it says....

 

Before DISTRICT JUDGE ***** Sitting at (name of the courts)

 

Upon hearing the solicitor for the claimant and the defendant not attending

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

1. The defendant shall forthwith deliver up to the claimant the(name of car details)

2. The money claim is adjourned generally with liberty to restore.

3.The defendant shall pay the claimants fixed costs of 335.00:eek:

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QUOTE :- it was a forthwith Order, but you have only just received it so had no time to deal with the Order before they took the car, so I still would not worry...money claim adjourned with liberty to restore...thats normal...and fixed costs, yep nothing you can do about those unfortunately. They are still wrong in taking the car prior to obtaining a warrant, and whilst they could argue it's your own fault in not getting to the Court in time you have tried to act promptly and this does not excuse what they have done. Hope that helps..

 

 

Hi Repoman,

 

I am just trying to get my defence statement together, rereading old post!

 

Do you think i could still have a case in getting my money back?? as the ROG was forthwith...and they only acted upon what they judge had ordered:confused:

 

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Yes you do...I had a feeling that would worry you tho. Firstly you've not been served with a copy of the Order until the other day. The simple fact is that not any old person can repossess a vehicle, with or without a copy of the Court Order. It HAS to be a County Court bailiff acting under a warrant of delivery. So they have illegally repossessed the vehicle in my opinion.

 

As I said yesterday I don't think the Judge will make an Order that they return the money to you tomorrow. I think that if you were seeking the return of the car and to be allowed to pay by instalments he may have made a time order or varied the previous order to a suspended order (effectively the same thing) and it may be that he will now give directions as to what way to pursue it, or it may be that you will have to file a counterclaim. I would try to get him to set some directions tomorrow (particularly as it might save you a few pounds!).

 

If you want me to have a look at your statement feel free to pop it on/over, but if they want to play taking the terms of the Order literally it says you will deliver up the vehicle, not that they will send two gorillas round to get it. Out of interest where was the car when they repo'd it, and was it already loaded up when they knocked your door.

 

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i sue

 

just a word of encouragment

 

court is not that bad

ive been three times

the judge in the whole will take control and will not let the other side bully you as you are defending your self and have no experience

if the judge feels the creditor is getting heavy handed, he/she will shut them up

same goes for you

just be polite, answer the questions from the judge and relax

 

remember to take a sheet of paper with the general points of your complaint with you.

you can remind yourself on the point of reason for you being in court

stops a mind block

 

good luck on this

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Out of interest where was the car when they repo'd it, and was it already loaded up when they knocked your door.

 

RM

 

The car was parked on the drive way and the pickup truck was blocking the drive, eventually when we handed the keys over to him.. he just drove the car off the drive and said he would load it onto the pickup on the other street.(yeah right of course he did)

He told me "the car was only going 5miles away but obviously i cant tell you where"

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Su

 

That was exactly the answer I wanted....the car has been repossessed from your private property. You only handed the keys over because your were bullied into it, i.e. under duress.

 

They have committed the act of trespass, which entitles you to sue for damages too. It's looking better for you all the time, and much much worse for VW and Close.

 

RM

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Oh great news!

 

I am going to do my statement soon and post it on here for you to look at, will be a bit later on tho around 4-5ish if you are going to be back on then?

 

Cheers

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Hi Su..

 

Yep, I'll be on from about 6 onwards.....the thing about the driveway is it's your property. The could potentially try to argue if the car was on the road that it's public highway and that therefore didn't need a bailiff. However, a bailiff executing a warrant is exempt from laws on trespass. This makes things much better.

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hi su

 

And have replied....just so others kno because of the somewhat unusual circumstances of this case i have drafted how best to put tomorrow's submission to the Judge, hopefully so that Su can avoid paying a fee to issue a counterclaim. The law is clearly set out in my previous long message.

 

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Hi repoman,

 

We went to court today, nobody turned up for VW finance....

The judge read our statement and said "so they have taken the car off you" to which we replied "yes"...

The judge said that she is ordering VW finance back to court for a further hearing within 28days to which they must attend! the judge also advised us to find a solicitor for the next hearing. And also asked us to send a copy of my statement to VW finance.

 

Would we be responsible for the cost of the next hearing??

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Potentially although I'd hope that you will be awarded costs as it's down to their abuse of the court procedure that this is happening. I'll have a chat with the solicitor that I do alot of work for to see what she thinks, and also perhaps put you in touch with someone who I think is in Manchester.

 

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Potentially although I'd hope that you will be awarded costs as it's down to their abuse of the court procedure that this is happening. I'll have a chat with the solicitor that I do alot of work for to see what she thinks, and also perhaps put you in touch with someone who I think is in Manchester.

 

RM

 

 

Okay, thank you very much

 

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Iya all again

 

Ive not had my court date through yet:( getting a bit fed up now ... struggling to get the kids to school & myself to work!!

 

I haven't a clue but thought it's worth asking the following......Would i be wrong in thinking that i stand a chance of getting the car from the auction... until the hearing!!

 

I know the judge said she couldn't order them to give the car back to me but could i take it from them as it's mine ?? Or is it?

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Just called the courts up, the next hearing is 12th March :eek: 7wks away!!

 

Can't understand why the judge said she was going to put hold on the car for 28 days:confused:

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My car was taken by a bailiff with a Court Order, but I was not informed this was going to happen. No letters or documentation was ever received by me, and was totally unaware this was going to happen. I was forced to give over my keys, I phoned the company acting for Black Horse Finance and offered to pay the £400 arrears there and then, but they said no its too late and they were very busy and did not have time to talk to me!!! The Bailiff said I could appeal if I wanted. I immediately did that, paying £75.00. A Judge deemed by case to be an extreme emergency and saw me the next day. I explained I was not informed and would pay arrears immediately. The Judge ordered Sechiari Clark & Mitchell, acting on behalf of Black Horse Finance, to return my car to me. I phoned Sechiari who told me they would not and would be lodging an appeal about the Judges decision. I could not believe it !!! It took another four days, without a car, for another Judge to uphold my appeal and again order Sechiari to return my car. Sechiari are again refusing to release my car and have told me they will be appealing again. My car is being held at auction until this is settled. HELP ! How can Sechiari Clark and Mitchell refuse to comply with my Court Order and then have their appeal rejected, once again being ordered to return my car and refuse. How can I get my car, can anyone help me with what I should do next ? My car is being held at auction in Bristol and I live in Bournemouth. The price of my car was £7,000, I paid £3,900 deposit cash, borrowed £3,100, have been paying it for 2 years 4 months and I still owe £3,000 according to Sechiari. I need my car back, for taking my children to school, work, shopping and so on and so on. How can I make them comply with the order and stop appealing against it. Please any help or comments would be very much appreciated, just dont know where to turn !!!

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Maria I suggest you pay the arreas and make an application to the court for your costs due to them breaching the court order ie costs of hire trips to bristol ect. send the order to the baliffs in Bristol and ask them to seize your car under the two orders and return it to you

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