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    • Thanks DX,   I wasn't aware we could do that for that length of time. I'll ask my wife to check with the bank this week
    • Yeah That's correct. We left rent payment coming out of his bank account from January 2023 - August 2023 until we could find somewhere to sort out his belongings which was fine. I tried to give notice a few times from August 2023 asking for advice from Sanctuary housing how we went about this explaining his condition and that he was in a Nursing home from December 2022. I explained we don't have any legal powers to his account like POT but were in the process of going for Deputyship and that I was the named person to act on his behalf to speak with Santuary housing. I said we could provide details of his condition and proof he was now in a nursing home with date he moved in. This went ignored despite repeated attempts to contact them until a housing manager contacted us end of February 2024 and notice was finally accepted with his tenancy coming to an end March 22 2024. Although they have continued to take rental payments for the flat despite someone else living in it from the 1st April. I wasn't aware payments were still being taken till I checked his May banks statements. I had asked them to back date rental payments to August 2023 when I gave notice rather than just giving notice in March 2024 but they've ignored that bit. I don't see why they shouldn't give it back they've taken money they shouldn't have.
    • go do a Direct Debit Guarantee Clawback to your bank if you've now got control of his bank account finny.
    • Hello, Just to check I understand things right, he moved to a nursing home, you then kept paying the rent for a period of time whilst you sorted his belongings. You have asked to give notice and asked for backdated payments of rent from when you first asked which went ignored? They are still taking rent payments.   Have I understood correct?   If I've got anything wrong please correct me.
    • I contacted Sanctury housing in August 2023 after informing them my father in law who had Dementia had moved into a Nursing home December 2022. We kept the flat for 8 months until such a time we could accomodate some of his furniture that my wife wanted to keep. I contacted them in August 2023 to let them know the situation by email as I was the named person that could speak on his behalf. I informed them that we had left it to late for POT and were seeing a solicitor for Deputyship of his financies. I asked them what information would they need in order to give notice on the flat and we could provide details of his condition and nursing home. This went ignored I left it a month and then called them October 2023. I was promised a call back from a manager over the next few days. This never happened and it was end of November when I contacted them again and they had no record of me calling them. I explained the email and again I was told the local manager to the area would call me. This never happened and I ended up emailing them in January 2024 with a copy of the email from August. Again this went ignored and I had explained to them that we couldn't just go to the bank and stop the DD as we had tried. This email again went ignored. I then had a letter written to our home address in February asking us to get in contact with them (local manager) as they were concerend nobody was living in the flat. He had an email address so I copied in the last 2 emails to say I had been trying to give notice since August 2023. I also stated that I would like the rent that was paid from August 2023 refunded back to his account as I had officially tried to give notice then and it went ignored. He replied to us about wanting to look at the flat then notice could be given once he had contacted the nursing home to confirm he was actually living there now. Notice was giving for the 22 March 2024 and this would be when rent would stop and no further payment would be taken by this point. The fact I asked to be back dated went ignored. I have since noticed on 2 banks statement for April and May that they are still taking Rent payments of £501 from his bank. Further to this which seems very strange. He was with Eon Next for his utility bill again we were having problems getting this stopped as they needed a named person on his account which there wasn't one despite me managing his online account for him. I didn't check the email address that often that I used to set it up and went to check as noticed the credit he had built up with not living there was all getting refunded in February. The email said £600 would be refunded to his account with a (sorry you are leaving us message) but how can he leave as nobody but himself had access to speak with them. I also noticed the lady in the flat above him had a letter from her bank sent to his address with his address details but his name which was dated 4th March well before we had given notice and it said (thank you for giving us your new address details) we have set all this up for your account.   So Sanctuary housing must have been aware he wasn't living there from the ignored emails for the lady above to start changing address details to move into his flat before the housing manager had even got in contact to ask if anyone was living there. What I basically want to know his do we have any legal standing to claim the rent back from when I first contacted them in August 2023? There is roughly £3000 to come back  
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Hi Cheffi,

 

I would contact the SMMT (Soc. of Motor Manufacturers & Traders) if I were you as the vehicles you hold are probably held on a stocking plan which could make ownership a problem.

 

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If the bankrupt main dealer actually owned these vehicles then they now belong to the receiver.

 

If they didn't, then the vehicle revert to the original owner.

 

Despite currently holding the vehicles, you are still another unsecured creditor and will be required to surrender the vehicles to their rightful owner.

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Some clarity wouldn't go amiss here but as I understand things, there are two cars which are the property of a company (A). A passed over possession of those cars to another company (B). There is no suggestion that B was unlawfully in possession of A's cars.

 

In turn, B passed the cars to the OP's company © for the purpose of servicing and repairs. If B had no interest in or benefit to derive from effecting the repairs, it seems to me a reasonable conclusion to draw that B contracted with C as agent of A in order to repair and improve A's cars and as such the contract made by B with C was for A's benefit. C are now in possession of A's cars having carried out the repairs. There is no suggestion the cars are subject to HP.

 

In my view C is entitled to exercise a lien over A's cars as an unpaid bailee. Further, that C may exercise the powers conferred by Torts (Interference with Goods Act) 1977 section 12 so long as C follows the procedure set out in the Act.

 

It seems to me that in the circumstances outlined above the liquidation of B is of no consequence.

 

As I say, some clarity wouldn't go amiss so if I have misunderstood it would be a good idea to clarify the precise position and inter-relationship of A, B and C before running off to flog the damn things.

 

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I don't interpret the situation that way. The OP has mentioned SOR in the title. The way I see it is Dealer A lent Dealer B the cars on SOR. B put the cars into the OP's garage for repairs. B has gone bust, and the OP's garage are holding the cars in lieu of money owed by B. But the cars belong to A.

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