Doberman bites Bailiff on the arse! Police threaten arrest

[DobieGal]

When at work I leave my French doors open to let my two Dobermans into the back garden. It's surrounded by 6 foot fence with a locked gate. The lock to the gate can be picked with a screwdriver but not from the inside once the gate closes.

 

I came home a few weeks ago and found a chewed black size 11 industrial shoe in the garden. It is common for Dobies to steal things and chew them on the lawn, its thier nature but none of my family wears size 11's. I reported fence damage to police where vertical timbers snapped off the above the top Arris rail but they were uninterested suggesting somebody had thrown an old shoe into the garden to torment the dogs. I considered the matter closed because nothing was missing from the house.

 

Last week I am confronted by police officers and a dog catcher making threats of arrest under the Dangerous Dogs act. I quickly pointed out the DDA applies to dogs in public and mine are kept behind locked doors and only to breeds banned under the Act. The officer said a bailiff at A+E reported me for injuries to his legs and backside after entering my garden to collect a court fine. I think bailiffs had opened the gate to approach the house, my two Dobies came bouncing out and bit them on the arse while they climbed back over the fence after the gate slammed shut behind them. I also think this explains the shoe and the fence timbers being snapped off.

 

The court fine is registered at our address but the persons name is unknown to us. The local mags court is unwilling to help citing data protection act. We returned post for the addressee as gone away but items just kept coming and we just put them in the shredder.

 

Can a bailiff really have me charged for this?

[tonycee]

Charged with what ?

 

Justice springs to mind.

 

Where can i send 2 HUGE doggy bones ?

[palomino]

He can try - by laying a complaint with the police. Once the police are satisfied that nothing untoward has occurred (well, you know what I mean:)) they will tell the complainer to go away.

If you are being prosecuted I would worry but obviously the police aren't going to do that.

 

A couple more bones from here as well.

[tomtubby]

At last !!!!

 

After hearing bailiff queries all day, I have sometheing to laugh about.

 

Sorry, I must be serious. The bailiff can try to gain "peaceful entry" into the property. Well clearly that didn't happen !!! ( Sorry I'm laughing as I type this).

 

Serious again. What you have is a chewed up shoe. It could be that the bailiff has the matching one which would prove that it was his. But, unless this incident was filmed or witnessed by a third party I cannot see how he could PROVE that either of your dogs had bitten him or chewed his shoe. It is simply hearsay evidence and would probably teach the bailiff to make sure that he knocks on the door next time.

 

Many times we have queries from the public where a bailiff has alledged he had applied a clamp to a vehicle and that "somehow" the clamp had been removed. The bailiff naturally reports the "crime" to the police but I have yet to see a case yet where a prosecution has been sucessful because there is no proof.

[berrylover]

I would suggest that if the charges go ahead, you charge the bailiff for tresspass and damage to your fence. If the court order is not in your name then then bailiff shouldn't have come into your garden.

[palomino]

Did you obtain the bailiff's details?

[tonycee]

I so love this. It has really made my day.

 

How come when we have a problem with a bailiff and call the police, its a civil matter, yet when the bailiff calls them, they jump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And these are for my 2 new FRIENDS.

 

Edited October 7, 2008 by tonycee

[Fair-Parking]

Which magistrates court was it? I ask because if the data protection act protects the bailiffs then it should equally protect you. In other words why do they have your details in the first place?

 

Ask the magistrates court exactly setion of the data protection act allows the council to supply details of an innocent party to a private company. And which section prevents that innocent party from having recourse to correction.

 

Serves the buggers right for trying to sneak into the private property. Teach the word 'bailiff' to the dogs so that they will know that you when you say it in future they should snarl.

 

Then reward them with bigger bones.

[robin9342]

Well, what can I add other than: hahaha served the bailiff right! :D:D

Nice doggy!!

 

[DobieGal]

The courts said they could not disclose information about other people. Our house is on my husband’s farm and the front is hard to reach so post is delivered to the gate lodge. The Dobies were kept in the back garden because it is dangerous for them to ride the combine so we let them out at night to chase away [EDIT] people who try to bring caravans onto the farm. [EDIT] These people register their vehicles at our farm and we get their mail and DVLA tax renewals.

 

We had problems with bailiffs before. Two years ago police arrested my husband when farm hands prepping the potato harvester for the days work at 6.30am had trouble from bailiffs who turned up and levied on the harvester by blocking it with their van. My husband turned up in a JCB forklift and lifted their van by the chassis leaving it suspended 18 feet in the air and ordered the bailiffs off the farm. They called police, but my husband's tactless approach (he is a typical Norfolk f'ing & blinding type – really swears a lot) told the police to go away, arrested him for theft of their van and obstructing a bailiff in levying on his £160,000 Grimme potato picker for a car tax fine that had nothing to do with him or the farm.

 

I can see the funny side, but my husband seriously lacks a sense of humour when it comes to police and bailiffs. He was ready to JCB the police van up and put it up on the roof of a 40ft container. He is a real softie otherwise but this how farmers deal with caravans parked on their land. Police say it's a civil matter even when crop is damaged and livestock is stolen and accordingly my husband has no time for police and bailiffs.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Rooster-UK
Derogatory remarks removed

[TheChancellor]

Next time just park something big in the gate-way.

Then it's a civil matter if they want to retrieve their van.

 

Quote the man in the Hoover Free Flights offer case:

 

When he didn't get his free flight tickets he called out the Hoover man to fix his washer & then blocked his van in saying he could have the van when they spun for the flights.

[DobieGal]

It won't work. When police saw the bailiffs van perched up on the end of a forklift they told my husband he was holding the bailiffs hostage and threatened to charge him with kidnap.

[tonycee]

These bailiffs think they are a law unto themselves, and can just bully people into submission.

 

Consider making a complaint against the bailiffs.

 

Or better still, dont feed the dogs if you know they are coming back.

[TheChancellor]

It won't work. When police saw the bailiffs van perched up on the end of a forklift they told my husband he was holding the bailiffs hostage and threatened to charge him with kidnap.

 

That's different though.You can park where you like on your own land - they are free to leave when they want.

[Fair-Parking]

Interesting that these people register their vehicles at your address. That's very similar to our scheme, except that it appears that whilst we actively consent to giving our permission for others to use our address for registration, you don't and yet the DVLA still accept this misuse of your address as being right and proper and therefore fair game to pass on to others.

 

Have I got this right?

[DobieGal]

Its a peril of living on a farm, [edited], or gypisies for another word, don't have social security numbers or a fixed address so they use other peoples wityhouit permission. We stick tax discs DVLA and insurance documents in the shredder because pikies dont want them, its just to appease the police databases and their laser vans. If a [e] car is lifted by police they just get another. Thats also how pikies dispose of unwanted goods, fill an old untaxed car or van with rubbish and park it out in a neighbourhood for the DVLA to find or drive it through a police checkpoint. Otherwise they flytip it on us. Not just a nuisance but dangerous using planting and harvesting equipment. We can escort a bailiff off the farm, not so easy to escort a five ton pile of rubbish.

 

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Edited October 10, 2008 by jonni2bad

[Lula]

sometimes it gets a bit too pc

[Fair-Parking]

Thanks DobieGal. Your answer quite made my day. Reminds of the day Phil Silvers (Sgt Bilko) went to Lords to watch cricket. At first he was quite amazed to discover that the game lasted 5 days - but after reflection he went home happy in the knowledge that if the English could watch this for 5 days, he shouldn't have any problem attracting an audience to his show for just 25 minutes.

 

So it is with our situation. If the law and DVLA allows the blatant abuse of your address without your consent and then just shrugs its shoulders at all the problems that this is causing you, then I should not have any problems promoting the validity of our scheme which does invite people to register here with our consent.

 

I know that it doesn't help you and frankly the police need to take this far more seriously. Even the dimmest must now realise that the bailiffs have duff info and that you are entitled to your privacy along with their protection when it is violated by those who won't listen.

[berrylover]

By the way, have you taken your dobies to the vets for a tetanus shot? They did bite a Bailiff remember. They could have caught anything from them!

[DobieGal]

Its a case of bailiffs genuinely not knowing their victim (for what better description) is a person of no fixed abode. We cannot lawfully allow anyone to use the farm for DVLA contact because its concealment of the true identity of a vehicles registered keeper and commits an offence of perverting the course of justice.

 

Farms usually have a policy of asking a bailiff to quietly leave the farm (for insurance purposes) and call for assistance if a bailiff causes trouble. We find lifting their vehicle with a JCB and leaving it 30ft in the air usually does the trick.

 

Bailiff visits to the farm usually go unnoticed by us, farmhands explain why they cant find their person or the vehicle and they leave under their own accord.

Edited October 10, 2008 by jonni2bad

[spamheed]

Do you have signage clearly displayed stating that there are dogs on the premises? if so, job done, they were warned and didn't heed the warning

 

I was in this position before, my rotty, shepherd and little manchester terrier escorted a nuisance group of window cleaners back over the fence from whence they came, minus their bucket, clothes and the sleeve of one of their jackets. they called in the police and their legals

 

Their legals even tried to state that because the sign stated beware of the DOG (singular) we were liable by having more than one dog!!

 

They withdrew their case as the house was clearly signed front and back although the signs were replaced with Beware of the DOGS (plural) signs soon after

[robin9342]

I seem to remember reading on here somewhere its not wise to have a sign saying "Beware" of the dog, as it implies that you know your dog might attack someone. Something like "Large dogs on the premises" might be safer.

[DobieGal]

The police criticised our dog signage. Our house is on a private cul-de-sac of properties on the farm and we own them all. Ours is the principle farm house and the cottages provide accommodation for farmhands. The public road entrance to the cul-de-sac is closed off with electronic gates. That’s why bailiffs cannot get access to the front of the properties and thus, no dog signage needed. The back of the properties each have access direct to the farm via a gate and our dog sign according to police does not comply with Beware of Dog. It is a picture of a Doberman Pinscher with a speech-bubble containing a caption I live here, I bite first and ask questions later!. Bailiffs still entered because the farm house is the address they were looking for, but we never lock the house with my dobies inside.

[muffin2020]

Hope the dogs are ok,biting **** can be dangerous

[blipvert]

>>>But, unless this incident was filmed or witnessed by a third party I cannot see how he could PROVE that either of your dogs had bitten him or chewed his shoe.

 

Oh what a wonderful thread. I would suggest a bite on a bailiffs arse could be matched to the dog that did it by puncture marks but would require scene of crime officers plus all other manner of specialist resources to prove it. I very much doubt if they'd bother.

 

Di you feed the dogs ?