bought a car saturday afternoon no tax supplyed are you able to drive it around?

[gwc1000]

I'm interested to know how this conspiracy case is going - Anyone shed any light on it?

 

Well, I recently bought a three year old Vauxhall direct from the Police through BCA. They forgot to mention that the gearbox was to follow. Having only two gears does make driving a tad difficult!

[ARGK342]

Good afternoon..............first time poster so please be gentle.

 

Ended up on this thread because I've been trying for the past 9 days to buy a car from a very well respected car dealer.

All the paperwork has been done and approved but the main holdup seems to be that the previous owner had private plates on the car and the car dealer "can't get the right paperwork" to tax the car. All they have is the part of the V5 which is given to the new owner [me].

 

Apparently, DVLA will not allow them to purchase an excise disc as they cannot prove that the original owner has traded it into them.

 

I read the posts above about the form V62 and wonder if any experts on here could confirm it works.

 

I have the distinct feeling the garage are trying to cheese me off so they can sell it at a higher price.

[patdavies]

Ended up on this thread because I've been trying for the past 9 days to buy a car from a very well respected car dealer.

All the paperwork has been done and approved but the main holdup seems to be that the previous owner had private plates on the car and the car dealer "can't get the right paperwork" to tax the car. All they have is the part of the V5 which is given to the new owner [me].

 

A dealer/trader should have the whole V5 less the yellow section (section 9 - which the previous owner should have sent to the DVLA to notify them of transfer of keepership).

 

If the cherished number transfer has been done correctly, DVLA would have issued a new V5 with the original (as opposed to the cherished) VRM to the previous owner - who should then have used this to trade the car to the dealer.

 

If the dealer only has the green section, then he must register the car in his/company's name. He can obtain VED using the green section alone for up to 2 months from the date he acquired the vehicle. However, he will have to produce valid insurance (I'm am not sure if a motor trader's policy is adequate - GWC100 will know) and a V62. On obtaining VED, the green section and V62 will be retained and a new V5 issued in the dealer's name.

 

Apparently, DVLA will not allow them to purchase an excise disc as they cannot prove that the original owner has traded it into them.

 

This is just nonsense, the DVLA are not in the least bit interested in ownership. Anybody can apply for VED - they do not have to be the RK.

 

I read the posts above about the form V62 and wonder if any experts on here could confirm it works.

 

A V62 has to be completed by the dealer and handed over with the green section of the previous V5. However, if the dealer has only the green section, then the previous owner should have sent the rest of the V5 to DVLA; who should automatically send out a new V5 in the dealer's name.

 

I have the distinct feeling the garage are trying to cheese me off so they can sell it at a higher price.

 

Possibly. Or they have f*cked up badly on taking the car in

[ARGK342]

Thanks very much for your asssistance PATDAVIES.

 

The garage are saying that the holdup is due to the fact they only have the bottom section of the V5 and it's in the cherished plate. I think they've taken the car in with the cherished number and they are trying to flog that while selling the car to me with the original number on it.

 

Either way, DVLA apparently won't issue a new tax disc for the car with the original reg number applying.

 

Thanks again.

[JonCris]

Sounds very likely Pat

 

Is it possible they are not the legal owners.........yet ....... because to date they have not completed the agreed transaction with the previous owner & are stalling

[patdavies]

Thanks very much for your asssistance PATDAVIES.

 

The garage are saying that the holdup is due to the fact they only have the bottom section of the V5 and it's in the cherished plate. I think they've taken the car in with the cherished number and they are trying to flog that while selling the car to me with the original number on it.

 

Either way, DVLA apparently won't issue a new tax disc for the car with the original reg number applying.

 

Thanks again.

 

The V5 with the cherished plate should have been returned to the DVLA in its entirety as part of the number retention/transfer. It must accompany the V317.

 

If the retention has taken place then:

1) no document with the cherished number is now valid for the vehicle. The V5 (and the green slip) are void.

2) if the entire V5 was not returned, then the retention may be voided and the number lost forever.

 

To retain a number, you must send off

a)form V317 duly completed and signed by the RK;

b) the MoT certificate (if applicable)

c) the retention fee (£125 I think).

You do not send any valid VED disk until the retention is complete.

 

In return (usually about 3 - 5 days - they used to do it while you waited at LVLOs, but have stopped this now), DVLA will send back:

 

a) A V948 authorising you to obtain plates with the 'new' VRM and from when they must be displayed

b) a new MoT certificate showing the 'new' VRM (they used to simply modify, stamp and sign the old MoT certificate, but not since the computerised ones came into full use);

c) the retention certificate - V778

D) A new VED disk with the 'new' VRM. At this point the old disk is void and must be returned

 

The new V5 will be sent separately within about 4 weeks.

[ARGK342]

Pat..........the only paperwork they have is the bottom part of the V5 which they have asked me to sign.

 

They say that the paperwork relating to the change from the cherished number to the original number has been sent from DVLA to the original owner [for some reason] and are contacting him to obtain that paperwork.

 

They say that when they went to the local Vehicles Registration Office , the bottom part of the V5 [relating to the CHERISHED registration number] was rejected as the car was being taxed under its 'original' number.

 

I also telephoned DVLA who told me that they could not help me as "although there was a reference to that vehicle with the original number, that number was not active".

 

Thanks for being so patient.

[patdavies]

Pat..........the only paperwork they have is the bottom part of the V5 which they have asked me to sign.

 

They say that the paperwork relating to the change from the cherished number to the original number has been sent from DVLA to the original owner [for some reason] and are contacting him to obtain that paperwork.

The (entirely valid) reason is that only the RK can retain/transfer a cherished number. the garage is holding the vehicle as a trader and not RK - so they cannot do the retention.

 

If the V5 that you have signed is the cherished number V5, then you have wasted a journey. Or, they send in that V5 to transfer keepership to you and you then effectively 'own' the cherished number.

 

They say that when they went to the local Vehicles Registration Office , the bottom part of the V5 [relating to the CHERISHED registration number] was rejected as the car was being taxed under its 'original' number.

Quite rightly

 

I also telephoned DVLA who told me that they could not help me as "although there was a reference to that vehicle with the original number, that number was not active".

 

Thanks for being so patient.

The DVLA cannot help you as you are not the RK.

 

This could really yet go all t*ts up. You are not allowed to dispose of a vehicle until the retention/transfer is completed. The RK is specifically warned of this on the V317. The LVLO are entitled to call the vehicle in for inspection (a check of VIN and engine numbers against V5). If it isn't presented, etc. the retention/transfer is voided. If driven to the inspection, it must be taxed and MoT'd. AIUI, this would not be a valid use of trade plates (even if it was, the RK must be the trade plate holder) - GWC100 may be able to further advise on that point as a trader.

 

The DVLA can void the process any time before completion and the cherished number is lost. It sounds from the response that you had from DVLA that the process is going through, but the original owner and the trader are taking a big risk by a) jumping the gun on disposing of the vehicle, and b) not following the DVLA's procedures properly.

 

Every time that I have sold my car, I do the deal making it very clear that the VRM is not included and that the 'correct' V5 will follow in about 4 weeks.

Edited October 1, 2008 by patdavies

[patdavies]

Sounds very likely Pat

 

Is it possible they are not the legal owners.........yet ....... because to date they have not completed the agreed transaction with the previous owner & are stalling

 

They probably are the owners - some deal having been done with the original owner.

 

What they are not is the registered keeper - that's all DVLA care about.

[ARGK342]

Thanks once again Pat.

 

Seems like a shambles to me.

[Poor_boy]

back to it - if a purchaser buys a vehicle its their responsibility to insure tax etc and not the dealers (does not matter if roadworthy or not / sold as seen)

[ARGK342]

We went in again on Thursday to see what the holdup was and were advised they were 'doing everything they could' but 'with the paperwork not being through, they were helpless'.

 

They were given an ultimatum. Have the car ready by Friday or keep it.

 

Friday lunchtime we got a call 'car's ready'. Went to pick it up and on examination found the car had been taxed on Wednesday.

 

Closer examination found a strong smell of paint and a hastily repaired dent on the front of the car.

 

One of the mechanics had had a 'slight bump' within the forecourt.

 

Still looking for another car.

 

Thanks for all your help folks.

[crash3903]

I read the posts above about the form V62 and wonder if any experts on here could confirm it works.

 

Good luck with that one

 

we are still waiting for the conspiracy theory to surface

[Chris Hosea]

A new bent to the question. Coming to UK from France to pick up a car to export back to France. Car bought from dealer 8 years old, full MOT, no tax. French insurance in place but car cannot be taxed using the French insurance. Any Ideas?

[buzby]

It will need to be re-registered in France, using the full V5C socument, whilst the previous owner needs to ensure the 'Export' slip is returned to the DVLA.

 

As for how can you move it to france without a valid tax disc, you can either take it on a transporter, or obtain trade plates which will cover the vehicle until it arrives at the Port.

[gwc1000]

Or you could pay the dealer the extra money to cover six months road tax, it may be cheaper than transporting the vehicle.

[crem]

I agree with gwc that could be the cheapest, and safest option. Also, as you will be taking out of the country on perminant export, you should be able to get a refund on remaining full months tax, which should be a full refund less one months tax cost (about 20quid on most standard cars)

 

Far better to do this than risk getting stopped before you get to the port!

[patdavies]

. Also, as you will be taking out of the country on perminant export, you should be able to get a refund on remaining full months tax, which should be a full refund less one months tax cost (about 20quid on most standard cars)

 

Not on a 6 month tax disc. There is a wrinkle that you get back one-twelfth of the annual VED for each full month on the disc. You do not get the premium that you pay for 6 months VED back.

[crem]

Not on a 6 month tax disc. There is a wrinkle that you get back one-twelfth of the annual VED for each full month on the disc. You do not get the premium that you pay for 6 months VED back.

 

They think of everything to keep our money don't they!

 

So would it be wiser then in a case like this, to pay for 12 months tax, then surrender it to get 11 months tax back once it is out of the country? Bigger outlay initially, but less total cost after the refund.

[gwc1000]

I think it would be very difficult to get a refund. The name and address on the V14 must match exactly that on the V5c. Is it possible to do a refund from another country?

I suggested taxing the vehicle for six months (and writing off the tax) may be cheaper than transporting, depending how far the vehicle has to go to a port.

[buzby]

Or, as I suggested earlier, to use TRADE plates - which many garages will hire (with a suitable deposit) for a modest fee. Buying a disc for a day's use is plain crazy.

[gwc1000]

Or, as I suggested earlier, to use TRADE plates - which many garages will hire (with a suitable deposit) for a modest fee. Buying a disc for a day's use is plain crazy.

Sorry, but completely untrue. Lending out or hiring trade plates is a criminal offence. Apart from the fine, the trade plates will be confiscated. (I should know I've had them for 29 years)

[nehpets]

Sorry, but completely untrue. Lending out or hiring trade plates is a criminal offence. Apart from the fine, the trade plates will be confiscated. (I should know I've had them for 29 years)

 

Correct - Trade plates cannot be lent.

 

How about booking an MOT Test in Dover? (or whichever port) The law allows you to use the car on the road if it is being driven to and from the test centre so long as it is pre booked.

[patdavies]

Correct - Trade plates cannot be lent.

 

How about booking an MOT Test in Dover? (or whichever port) The law allows you to use the car on the road if it is being driven to and from the test centre so long as it is pre booked.

 

Won't work.

 

To be driven from Calais on UK plates requires the vehicle to be taxed.

[buzby]

Just spoke to my tame garage - they can provide their customer with the facility for a fee. I cannot find where such usage (as a trade facility) is in any way illegal.

 

As for what happens in Calais, this is clearly a different administration as the rules are different, but with French Insurance in force (pending re-registration) it makes sense to - if possible - have the paperwork completed for the vehicle as it rolls off the ferry at the far end. A firend did suggest if the vehicle 'broke down', it could be transported at a mre equitible rate to the final destination. I'm sure nobody would do this on purpose.