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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Can anyone offer some advice. I am trying to get a partial refund from computeach for a course which I cannot complete. I paid £4450 for the course on a Clydesdale buy now pay later plan which I have since transferred to another loan. I was unable to obtain the pass mark of 90% and see no way of achieving it. I have not even got a 1/4 of the way into the course. No mention is made of this pass mark in any literature. I have written to them several times asking for a refund. I have told them that there salesmens representation of the course was not accurate and because of that representation I entered into the contract. I have also stated that they misrepresented my competence by failing to carry out their test procedure correctly. They have refused all my requests for a refund and just keep encouraging me to continue my studies.

 

I have also tried persuing the matter with the finance comapny to no avail. I have had some legal advice and they say small claims court may be risky.

 

ANy advice would be gratefully received

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What course is it and can you give us more details of how this was financed?

 

Did your loan with Clydesdale pay for the entire course? Was the course sold to you in your own home? Did you sign a Consumer Credit Agreement for your loan? Did you get a cooling off period? Why did you transfer the loan and who is it now with? How much do you owe on the loan?

 

Don't want to appear nosey but you will need to give specific details if you need the great people here to help you with this.

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Computeach are, I'm told, very good at signing folk up and very bad at following through. Give us the details as per ruralgirl.

 

Also - you could think about reposting in the students forum and seeing who else there has experienced these folk

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The course is Microsoft Network Administrator and was sold in my own home by a pretty pushy salesmen. Clydesdale financed the whole course and i transfered the loan as it was on a buy now pay later scheme with absurd interest when it ran out. The loan is now with Northern Rock. The course had a 14 day cooling off period but no course material turned up until after this date. I did sign a credit agreement form with clydesdale.

 

I still owe about £3k on the loan.

 

The advice I got from a legal service was to find an expert in the field to say that I am not able to complete the course but it's finding one.

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This is a bit different to my situation (I signed up for a course with Scheidegger), less said about that the better. I contacted Consumer Direct and the lady there was rather less than helpful. She told me I had to keep paying for the course even though they were not marking coursework and sending the next part. I explained to her that it was like buying a car and not having the wheels but to her, if I stopped paying, I was in the wrong.

 

I did stop paying and after a few threats from them and a couple of Curlyben's letters from me they have backed down and have finally written off the balance. I have the CCA I signed which was enforceable but obviously they didn't.

 

The DCA I was dealing with were a bunch of muppets BUT Northern Rock are not, they are a slick outfit who will get their money, whatever it takes.

 

I feel out of my depth here so will leave it to those with more knowledge to give you advice and help. It may be that you can do something under the Supply of Goods and Services Act (the benchmark stuff) but I'm not in a position to say.

 

I wish you loads of luck.

 

Incidentally, how much extra did Clydesdale want to charge you? My own 'loan' was interest free.

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Welcome to the site.Am moving your thread into the students forums as suggested.

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Hi there,

 

I was "sold" a course by a Computeach rep in May 2006 - I paid using the Clydesdale buy now - pay later scheme which I paid off before the 9 month deadline. I was 'persuaded' that it would be bet to buy the whole package of 4 levels at a cost of £4950.

 

The first books duly arrived which I found very simple and I passed the IC3 level very quickly and got on to the proper course (CIW). From then on I struggled, the course material consisted of three books and downloadable material from computeach-online. All went quite well, although the study material was quite difficult to follow, until I felt I was ready to take the mock exam - no mention was made of the fact that I needed to obtain a 90% pass mark before I would be asked to attend the in-centre class and take the exam proper (which I have understood is about 65% to pass).

 

I have attempted the mock exam five times (acheiving as high as 85%) but no pass. The so-called tutor help is not very good - they just say where you are going wrong and suggest that you read up on such and such subjects. Nothing very specific and some of the subjects are not even covered in the literature they send.

 

I have become very dis-illusioned and written to Computeach requesting a partial refund. Their reply is that I have entered into a contract and to make use of the tutors. they have no intention of any refund as they say they have fulfilled their side of the contract.

 

I have only requested a refund for the remaining levels of training, of which they have not supplied any material and these materials can be used for other students - i.e. they are not unique to a student and have no date constraints.

 

Please let this be a salutary warning to anyone taking out Computeach or indeed any 'home-study' courses. Do not let the salesman persuade you that it will be easy or you can gain a well-paid job etc. Do your homework first and trawl the internet for other peoples experiences.

 

I would love to hear from anyone else who is trying to get a refund and I urge anybody who is having trouble with Computeach to contact the BBC Watchdog programme, the more people who complain the more Computeach may back down.

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What difference does it make that the agreement was made in my own home?

 

I signed up to a Computeach course in 2005. As above, a pushy salesman came to my home and explained what I would be getting. The sales point that sold me was the chance to go to training centres to get hands-on training and meet other students face to face. This was ideal as I don’t learn easily by just reading. Another attractive point was the offer of a work placement while I study, as in the TV advert at the time. The salesman said that with my understanding of computers I should complete the MCSE in about 6 months, it was a 2 year course.

 

My coursework was that out of date it didn’t even cover Windows XP let alone Windows 2003 or Vista. I also found lots of flaws in the material for example 3 completely different explanations of what a “memory blade” is.

 

It took 2 years for them to add me to their job search. Even then the jobs they offered were about 3 hours away.

 

I struggled at it for 3 years, paying extra £500 on top of the original £3,500 before giving up. I didn’t even get halfway through, I needed the in-house training I was promised. I felt I was wasting my money paying £250 a quarter and not making any progress.

 

Computeach refused to provide the in-house training they promised. They said they’ve never provided that and it wasn’t in the agreement I signed. The particular salesman no longer works for Computeach and so can’t answer. Trading standards said it was my fault for believing the salesman and a verbal contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

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The course is Microsoft Network Administrator and was sold in my own home by a pretty pushy salesmen. Clydesdale financed the whole course and i transfered the loan as it was on a buy now pay later scheme with absurd interest when it ran out. The loan is now with Northern Rock. The course had a 14 day cooling off period but no course material turned up until after this date. I did sign a credit agreement form with clydesdale.

 

I still owe about £3k on the loan.

 

The advice I got from a legal service was to find an expert in the field to say that I am not able to complete the course but it's finding one.

 

guess what there back up to there old tricks again

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What difference does it make that the agreement was made in my own home?

 

I signed up to a Computeach course in 2005. As above, a pushy salesman came to my home and explained what I would be getting. The sales point that sold me was the chance to go to training centres to get hands-on training and meet other students face to face. This was ideal as I don’t learn easily by just reading. Another attractive point was the offer of a work placement while I study, as in the TV advert at the time. The salesman said that with my understanding of computers I should complete the MCSE in about 6 months, it was a 2 year course.

 

My coursework was that out of date it didn’t even cover Windows XP let alone Windows 2003 or Vista. I also found lots of flaws in the material for example 3 completely different explanations of what a “memory blade” is.

 

It took 2 years for them to add me to their job search. Even then the jobs they offered were about 3 hours away.

 

I struggled at it for 3 years, paying extra £500 on top of the original £3,500 before giving up. I didn’t even get halfway through, I needed the in-house training I was promised. I felt I was wasting my money paying £250 a quarter and not making any progress.

 

Computeach refused to provide the in-house training they promised. They said they’ve never provided that and it wasn’t in the agreement I signed. The particular salesman no longer works for Computeach and so can’t answer. Trading standards said it was my fault for believing the salesman and a verbal contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

how can one company lie so much im a student now trying to get the hell out but they wont let me they do the inhouse training and trading standards said to me that if i have accepted verbally over the phone then the contract is valid ?

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I feel that i am in the same situation as the rest of you in that i took out a loan with barcleys for 2 courses with computeach for a total of £4800 of my english pounds.

 

And here it is RIP OFF, did not complete the two courses due to the fact that the teacher support had stopped, i was at the end of the two year period and had to pay the loan, there is no way that i could have done a MCSE and the COMPTIA with in this period .

 

That sells man was a con man, We have have people ring up for i.t. staff all the time he said, we can get you a job, all they have gave me is debt, you ring computeach and they do not want to know.

 

If there is any one from computeach who reads these posts PLEASE CAN I HAVE MY MONEY BACK IT IS NOT YOURS

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Hi I have also being paying advent / computeach I am in a major dilemor. Basically I first signed up with @advent for about £7,000 on an in-house Barclays Loan. The reason I signed up was because I wanted an apprenticeship in webdesigning or a job in it paying at £20,000 a year while learning. The salesman came to my mums house (he was extremly pushy and seemed like he would offer the world) he said to me that I would have to pay this money and they will gaurentee me a job also he did say I would be doing all the training at a workshop. I havent even been to the workshop once they tell me that I have to pass a test that I cant physically do from this £50 12,000 page book before I go to the workshop.I struggle to read that much and remember what I have read I only learn from doing things myself or when people show me i.e. having a tutor which I was also told that I would also get. I wasnever told that the whole course was going to be learning a book. Its a complete joke. Its been a year of a complete mess. I havent learnt one thing that I dont already know since they moved to Computeach. I feel very upset and stressed out as I owe about £6,000 for something that im not getting (a job and knowledge). I spoke to Computeach and they told me to go on there online service, I havent got a clue what you do on that system none of it really made sense to me. I dont know what to do I have lost my job 3 months ago and am really now in finacial diffuclty I have a little boy that depends on me and am renting a house. How do I cancel or get this debt refunded? What is recommended to do?I think I am having to go legal.

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Hi read the other threads in the Student forum on this.

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