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    • So guess what, we have received a final demand letter for £100. It states if payment is not made by 11/06 they will have no option but to forward the case to their litigation dept with a view to commence County Court Proceedings. So just wondering if anyone has any advice. Do we ignore this? or do we need to take action? Thanks 
    • hi dx, thanks for helping just re-reading everything this morning and I must have missed this one from uncle in his thread "What you should not do, is not contact the Banks and simply default on payments. "  are you in disagreement with this based on your last sentence?
    • Thanks for the reply and clarification, that might just explain why in my case contact has pretty much ceased. Though with such companies it doesn't mean they won't ever threaten to return to court as a tool to force one's hand if they feel they are not self informed on their chances etc.  But concerning how last year they tried to use the CCJ to get a charging order and the court granted an intirum order on our mortgage using the CCJ that would have been a good 2-3 months beyond the 6 years, should the court not have checked the age of the CCJ in the first case or would they always grant an interim order simply off the back of a CCJ being produced without even checking the age of it?.  Had I not defended that action at the time they may well have got a default using a CCJ older than 6 years which could be a concern going forwards. At the time when I contacted the court to question the paperwork for a final order application the clerk suggested people don't get informed when companies apply for interim charging orders, they are automatic if a claimant has a CCJ and people only get contacted once a date for a final order application goes through. kind of begs the question if such companies can continue a seemingly backdoor method to attempt default action if un-defended if the initial application doesn't need to check the age of a CCJ?.
    • Hello!  Wondering if someone can help with this.  I suspect not but worth a go.  I appreciate the "contract is with the seller" line, which is what Evri has fed me but wanted to see if someone with experience in these things could suggest anything else I could do here.  I appreciate there are many topics about lost parcels - My parcels weren't lost, until the driver walked up to my door with them and then decided to make them lost/stolen... I'll summarise what has happened.  Wednesday of last week - Evri delivery driver stole / walked off with 3 of my parcels.  -  Arrived outside my properly, took photos (3 separate photos as its 3 separate deliveries) of the tops of the parcels (pointlessly zoomed in on just the labels, couldn't see anything else, other than a small piece of the pavement and a little weed, which doubly confirms it was outside my door as I can see the same plant), marked the order as delivered and walked off with them.  He's marked on the Evri GPS marked that he was outside.   -  3 different deliveries, from the same company (same boxes etc.), but 3 separate tracking numbers. -  Went through the Evri bot which opened a case on each tracking number.  I then phoned them and left a voicemail explaining what had happened. -  24 hours later had a canned response asking me if the packages had turned up and to check around etc..  I responded explaining again what happened and that they've definitely been taken. -  4 days later,  this morning, I get a response telling me to ask the merchant to refund me. I've responded to this message with a long email, repeating what I said, that I believe the driver has stolen these packages and that he took those suspicious top down shots of the packages, marked them as delivered without ringing or knocking etc.  I've said that I expect them to investigate further, but I gather they won't. In my several messages to them initially and later, I told them I don't care about a refund and wanted the parcels.  They contain some sentimental stuff, nothing of high monetary value, hence me going to this trouble.  I only paid £25 for the contents. I did contact the merchant when this first happened and they asked me to wait a few days.  They ended up refunding me despite me asking them not to and that I wanted them to escalate it with Evri because this appears to be a case of theft.  They didn't seem bothered - Refunded me and told me to go back to Evri and escalate it with them? So - Is there any way to compel Evri to conduct a proper investigation with this driver?  Search for my parcels? I have quite a lot of deliveries handled by Evri (not out of choice) - They used to have a fantastic chap and I rarely had any issues.  He has been replaced by a new guy and I believe the route is handled by this same guy who I believe has taken my packages.  Naturally, I fear this is going to happen again in the future if no investigation occurs. Appreciate any assistance - Thanks for reading. Al.  
    • its not a good thing or a bad thing its ongoing. mines gone the same route. these new notifications are equally meaningless.
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offer from A&L 24/8/07 - after case stayed

 

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Gary and Alan have revised the stay removal application N244 part C statement adding the defendants notorious conduct section since I applied to have my stay removed.

 

Is it better to stick with what I have submitted on my N244 request or can I add the defendants notorious conduct section into my skeleton argument for my hearing?

 

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Well I arrived half an hour early and they checked me in on their list, I saw that the HSBC barrister had already signed in, she came and found me after about 10 minutes and gave me her skeleton argument which contained the normal twaddle (but 13 pages of it lol) and a copy of Heynes v HSBC (note she had sent this to the court but not to me :rolleyes:) so I gave her my bundle which she started to furiously make notes about (oh dear I sent it to the court but not to her :grin:).

 

There was a 6 day case in progress in our court room but the Judge had adjourned it to hear our cases (oops barristers everywhere twiddling their thumbs)

 

We went into court (full courtroom) there were 3 other cases 2 Lloyds and one Abbey, Lloyds had sent a barrister Abbey hadn't and one of the Lloyds claimants was a no show. The Judge decided to hear the claimants in turn and then the barristers in turn so I went up first :grin:

 

I said as stated in my submissions I would like the stay removed but, baring in mind by the time my case got listed for hearing it would probably be the end of December early January anyway so I wouldn't be too upset if the stay remained. However I told the Judge I was very concerned that the bank was at liberty to continue with their regime of charges and threats of collection and default notices, (the further directions to accompany the stay are included in my stay appeal) and I also drew his attention to the Carlisle v Clydesdale judgment which I had included in my bundle.

 

The Lloyds Barrister asked for the appeal to be struck out for the person who didn't turn up and had managed to get the other Lloyds claimant to withdraw his appeal and the Abbey claimant basically just asked for the stay to be lifted, don't think either of them were very well informed or prepared, they didn't even know when the test case was due to be heard.

 

Next up was HSBC's barrister who said all of her reasons for opposing the lifting of the stay were in her skeleton argument and she also opposed any further directions being placed on the bank, she also stated that none were imposed in the Carlisle v Clydesdale judgment to which I added the Judge in that case has said if any measures are taken by the bank against the claimant the stay will be lifted and the case will go to hearing :-) she shut up then :grin:.

 

The Judge asked if any costs were involved the Lloyds barrister said none but my barrister said she was very upset I had changed my submission (heart skipped a beat here, I hadn't !! :shock: I just beat her at her own game of giving information late lol) but would not be asking for costs (phew)

I think she was upset because I didn't actually argue for the stay to be lifted but had a very strong case for controls to be put on the bank.

 

The judge said he had to consider what we had all said and he was reserving judgment, we should all hear in 2 to 3 weeks time.

 

So I had fun in court and I don't think the Judge was opposed to what I had said but we shall see.

 

pete

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Quick question Zoot, I've had about £300 in charges since I submitted my claim to court do you think it would be better to do another claim for the new charges or alter the stayed claim I have to include the new charges?

 

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If you do it by amending your claim you need to get the bank to consent and pay the £35 fee (non refundable) you may need to get the application in before you hear about the stay as the court may refuse an application during the stay.

 

Alternatively make a new claim. You can claim back the court fee. Your claim may get merged with the present one and stayed.

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Well I have had my Notice of Handing Down Judgment. Stay remains and no conditions imposed on the Bank :(.

 

The actual Handing Down of Judgment takes place on the 3rd December at 10am. if I attend would I get a chance to ask questions?

 

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If its simply the handing down of judgment then the matter has already been decided so attending is unlikely to affect anything. You could ask questions if you wished but this won't affect the decision. Sorry its not the best result but at this stage the courts are being really stubborn.:mad:

 

All the best

 

Zoot

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