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    • Jasowter I hope that common sense prevails with Iceland and the whole matter can be successfully ended. I would perhaps not have used a spell checker just to prove the dyslexia 🙂 though it may have made it more difficult to read. I noticed that you haven't uploaded the original PCN .Might not be necessary if the nes from Iceland is good. Otherwise perhaps you could get your son to do it by following the upload instructions so that we can appeal again with the extra ammunition provided by the PCN. Most of them rarely manage to get the wording right which means that you as the keeper are not liable to pay the charge-only the driver is and they do not know the name and address of the driver. So that would put you both in the clear if the PCN is non compliant.
    • Thank you so much. Yes, I wish I had done my research and not paid. It's all for the same car park. Here is one of the original PCNs, they are all the same bar different dates. PCN-22.03.24-1.pdf PCN-22.03.24-2.pdf
    • Hi Clou, Welcome to the Forum and thank you for reading first before you posted. There seems to be many problems with Cornwall and getting a signal to use your a phone which could be why these parking companies don't use alternatives. It is a shame you paid the first one as you would probably have not had to pay that one either.  Was the car park at which you paid the same parking company as the one sending you these PCNs? On the subject of PCNs could you please post them up so we can see if they comply with the Act.
    • 1 Date of the infringement 16th March   2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 22nd March   [scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s   3 Date received unsure   4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] UNSURE   5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes   6 Have you appealed? [Y] post up your appeal] Yes. Stated incorrect location was used in JustPark app as honest mistake. Rejected of course.   Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up Yes, rejected:   Site: Sea View Car Park, PL27 6SR Date of Event: 16th March 2024 We are in receipt of your challenge in relation to the above Parking Charge. Appeals must be handled in a fair and consistent manner, therefore, in order for us to cancel any Parking Charge; it is necessary for us to find that the Notice was issued in error. As per the clear and prominent signage at this location ('The Contract'), drivers agree to pay the sum of £100 if 'A valid ticket is not displayed face-up on the dashboard; enabling all of the printed information to be inspected'. 'The Contract' also details that there is an exception for those with a valid mobile session in place. Had the driver felt that the terms of the contract were unacceptable, they had the option to seek alternative parking. By remaining, the driver is deemed in law to be bound by the terms of 'The Contract'. Our photographic evidence confirms that a valid ticket was not displayed, and a search of our records confirms that no mobile session was in place for the registration XXXX at this location; therefore, your appeal is declined. We note that you have submitted evidence of payment; however, said payment is not for this location. It may be the case that you feel that the charge is unfair; however, there is no legal basis to now reject a charge that the driver has already agreed to pay. In light of the above, the sum £100.00 is payable by 21/05/2024 or £170 thereafter. Our internal appeals procedure is now exhausted, our decision is final; therefore no further correspondence other than payment will be addressed or responded to. Should you disagree with our decision, you may submit an appeal to 'The Independent Appeals Service'; full details are on the rear of this letter. 7 Who is the parking company? Alliance Parking LTD   8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Sea View Car park, Polzeath, Cornwall   For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS Hi there, thanks in advance for any help on this.   Had 3 'PCNs' in post from Alliance for parking 3 times over a period of two weeks, unfortunately we were away from home so letters must have come over the two weeks but we received all at once if that makes sense. I realised I had used the wrong location on the car park app. The signs are not clear what the location is called (no code.) I only had receipts for two instances so I assume the first it didn't go through as had terrible signal. Paid £60 for one of the fines. Appealed the others saying it was an honest mistake and not very good signage (unfortunately submitted on their website and have no evidence of my appeal.) received the rejection of appeal as above.   Have now received the attached letter of claim. I have done some research for the amazing snotty letters but wonder if someone could kindly help me with writing one specific to my case? Thank you so very much in advance. LOC-alliance-1.pdf Apologies, 2nd page of LOC here. LOC-alliance-2.pdf
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I have 6 points on my license from about a year and a half ago. I am led to believe that these points are only 'active' for three years, but the DVLA leave them on your license for a further year. I don't understand what the meaning of this is. Surely if they are 'inactive' they should be removed, shouldn't they?

 

The ponts were written on my license by a Police Officer (who for some reason didn't write down that I had also paid an on the spot fine, which I might look into to see if there is a reason for it). I am thinking of informing the DVLA that I have changed my address (and possibly lost my license) to see if I recieve a clean copy.

 

Has anyone else done this before?

 

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An endorsement like the ones you have is for four years.

 

For 'totting up disqualification' purposes only, the points count for three years.

 

If you change your address, your licence is replaced for free. If you lose your licence, you pay for a replacement.

 

You should also be aware that it is not permissible to hold two licences.

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You can pay for none serious endorsements to be removed from your licence after three years.

 

Otherwise you have to wait out the four years for them to be removed for free.

 

Some insurance companies ask for convictions to be disclosed within a 5 yr period even though they are spent.

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No you can't, you have to wait the full term of the endorsement before you can have it removed, and it will still cost you. Remember, this is DVLA we are talking about and their primary function thesedays is to generate as much money as possible.

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I have 6 points on my license from about a year and a half ago. I am led to believe that these points are only 'active' for three years, but the DVLA leave them on your license for a further year. I don't understand what the meaning of this is. Surely if they are 'inactive' they should be removed, shouldn't they?

 

The ponts were written on my license by a Police Officer (who for some reason didn't write down that I had also paid an on the spot fine, which I might look into to see if there is a reason for it). I am thinking of informing the DVLA that I have changed my address (and possibly lost my license) to see if I recieve a clean copy.

 

Has anyone else done this before?

 

Thanks.

 

UtterlyScrewed.

 

When you say that they were written on by a Police Officer, this should not happen. If you are unlucky enough to get pulled over there are no on the spot fines in the UK. Only people who do this are Customs and Excise.

 

Where you given a Fixed Penalty Notice in the form or a yellow ticket which had a £60 if realy unlucky then an enhanced one for £250 fine that needs to be paid within 28 days?

 

If so you would get 7 days to produce and surrender your licence at a Police Station if you do not surrender this at the scene which is an option given. The FPN is then endorsed to act as your licence until the licence comes back from DVLA who get a copy of the ticket and add the points on. This is sometimes done in writing and has a code like SP30 and 3 points in the points column. (SP30 means speeding in a 30mph zone).

 

If like you say the Police Officer endorsed your licence there and then this is wrong and DVLA will not have a record of your points.

 

Valid for 3 years i correct and stay on the licence for 5yrs is also correct.

 

No need to change addresses just ask for a replacement licence as photo card licence is not valid without the paper part. So you can say that it was washed accidently. Same charge fee for either way.

 

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(SP30 means speeding in a 30mph zone).

 

SP30 means speeding other than on a motorway. If you are caught exceeding 70 mph on a dual carriageway, it is still SP30.

 

 

Valid for 3 years i correct and stay on the licence for 5yrs is also correct.
For speeding and other minor offences, the points are valid for totting up purposes for 3 years and remain on the licence for 4 years

 

No need to change addresses just ask for a replacement licence as photo card licence is not valid without the paper part. So you can say that it was washed accidently. Same charge fee for either way.

 

Baz

 

Change of address is free. Any other method means paying for the licence.

 

For change of address, you need to be able to surrender the old licence.

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SP30 means speeding other than on a motorway. If you are caught exceeding 70 mph on a dual carriageway, it is still SP30.

Disagree there SP50 = Speeding on a motorway, just because DVLA get it wrong and enter the wrong code , and theres more if you want them as they should appear:

SP10 = exceeding goods vehicle speed limits

SP20 = exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles)

SP30 = exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road

SP40 = exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit

SP50 = already covered above

SP60 = Undefined speed limit offence.

If you need anymore FPN(E) offence codes just feel free to shout or any other Road Traffic Question Answered.

 

 

For speeding and other minor offences, the points are valid for totting up purposes for 3 years and remain on the licence for 4 years

 

 

 

Change of address is free. Any other method means paying for the licence.

 

For change of address, you need to be able to surrender the old licence.

 

Feel free to ask away.

 

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I don't understand

 

A) how what you have written in red differs from what I said

 

It doesn't, he probably just wanted to confirm that you were correct

 

B) why you have resurrected a thread from July.:???:

 

a bit slow working it out - he didn't want an SP30

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