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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Is this from a creditor's point of view? I would imagine they would be fine although i'll do a bit of investigating for you. In the worst case I would imagine that the agreement would still be enforceable with the leave of the court (Providing the other aspects of the agreement are all OK)

 

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thanks for getting back to me Sequenci:p I posted another thread..am i being fobbed off?....i`ve tried for the past two days to get the info uploaded but have now given up!! the application form contains....principal cardholder details,employment details,financial details,cardholder payment protection,card protection,additional cardholder,tesco credit balance transfer,data protection act,your declaration...which says,i apply for a tesco credit card and pin to be issued to me.i accept and agree to be bound by the general conditions applying to the card as set out serperately,and the details about the card as set out overleaf and as may be amended from time to time etc,your right to cancel and signature box....however at the top of the form where it says apply for your tesco credit card today,credit agreement regulated by the CCA 1974.Issued by TPF ltd.there is a box with 3.9% APR but it does`nt state whether it is fixed or variable-should`nt it state what form the apr is? As the terms and conditions were seperate,how do i/they prove that they were the ones that i agreed to at the time,and the ones that they sent me are as they have quoted the current ones....i thought everything had to be original as at the time of signing?Thanks for listening!! if you`re ever in norfolk i`ll see you right for a pint!!:razz:

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I'm not a moderator, so can I answer, LOL?

 

Goodman -v- J Eban Limited. That decision established that:

 

  • mechanical signatures using rubber stamps, printing or typewriting were valid in english law;

  • a signature can be by a mark rather than a name as long as evidence can be given to identify the placer of the mark and the intention to sign; and

  • words other than a name can amount to a signature if the necessary intention to sign can be proven.

The decision in Goodman -v- J Eban Ltd was subsequently confirmed by the more recent decision in Re a Debtor (No 2021 of 1995).

 

However, if the stamp says something like "recieved by" etc, rather than stating an intention to be bound, it might not constitute a signature.

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hello Sequenci,i tried the photobucket website this morning and still managed to muck that up,i`m a right moron at computers,have`nt got a clue how to copy and paste and all that melarky,any help will be gladly accepted,i clicked on copy on photobucket but have`nt got a clue where it was copied to!!

hello Tomtern,i wish i could get this fr***ing thing up,the stamp is a rectangle with the words...on behalf of TPF 02 feb 2001 then the signature david mccreadie,thanks so much for your help,both of you xx

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Are any of these agreements actually signed by you? Is the only thing signed by you the first page? And what was the date you signed?

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What interest rate have you been paying?

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on my last statement it says....purchases monthly interest 1.313% and for cash monthly interest 1.873% so i guess i have an apr of 15.756 for purchases and 22.476% for cash xx why are you asking me old fruit?

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Cos the only document that appears to have your signature on has an APR of 3.9%, no credit limit, and I was wondering whether you would get back more money via this route, compared to the unexecuted agreement route.

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you`re gonna think of me as a cheeky cow,but how do i word my letter to TPF,i know it depends on what way i go.so do you think it`s an application form? should i have signed some terms and conditions,just out of curiousity,and if i go the other route,i`m as thick as two short planks when it comes to percentages,I`ll havta send for all my statements won`t i ? ooopps i`m waffling cos i`m nervous,sorry xx

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I would wait a while, until sequenci posts again.

 

In particular, though, If I were you I would ask him to look at the terms & conditions they sent to you (no 003 ) , since the APR is clearly different than what the application form states, suggesting that this was a precontractual document that does not embody the terms of the agreement.

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hi folks, i can't view these pages at work (only work related sites are allowed) so i'll take a look when i get home. hopefully in the mean time someone else will kindly take a look for you!

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I am no expert but isnt the first page an application.

Clearly at the top of the document it says "apply for your Tesco credit card today" and the declaration you have signed at the bottom starts "I apply for a Tesco credit card and PIN to be issued to me"

 

I would say that this isnt an executed agreement because who is to say that it was accepted. We know it was but can it be proven by the DCAs etc that it was subsequently approved and issued.

 

The last line of the declaration where you authorise them to make any enquiries necessary to confirm the information provided and assess you for credit would confirm my feelings about this.

Of course I will pay you everything you say I owe with no proof.

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so,do i write to them and thank them for sending my application form? can i quote any bits that specifically make it an application and if i can what are they?Just so it sounds like i know what i`m on about!!Thanks again xx

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Perhaps someone more knowledgeable may have differing opinions but mine would be to wait and see at this stage.

If they wish to take court action then the link posted earlier shows that an application for credit is not an executed agreement therefore you have a defence.

I know others have pointed out to DCAs what has been sent and then entered into a dialogue with them over its acceptability.

You could always PM Rory or Sequenci for an answer if they dont pop along shortly.

Of course I will pay you everything you say I owe with no proof.

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thanks for that Belaflat,i have to renew my payment plan with them next month as they are accepting a lower payment it would be nice to know if the ball was in my court so they could accept a payment under my terms,also if they had any right to issue the default,i was a mess when we finally took hold of the reigns but thanks to this site i`m gaining more knowledge and confidence,basically i don`t cry everyday and dread the postman coming!!Because am i right in thinking that they have to remove the default if the agreement is unenforceable or is it tough s**t? I know i had so many days to do someting about the default but i did`nt know what the hell I was doing!! thanks for helping xx

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Dont renew the payment plan as they are in default by not providing an executed agreement. They cannot take action or enforce a debt while it is in dispute.

Of course I will pay you everything you say I owe with no proof.

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