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    • I apologise if I was being unclear. Where it currently stands is that they will have it repair, placing scaffolding in our garden for 5 days. They have moved fast, but we will still have to postpone our contractors, meaning, we won't necessarily have the work done in time for the wedding and therefore will incur additional expenses for either a marquee or a wedding venue. They are vehemently against having any kind of liability in any regard but continue repeating that they are legally entitled to use our garden for their repairs (I believe this is true unless the work can be carried out using a cherry picker). The neighbour seems either indifferent or oblivious to the fact they can't reach all of the side of the roof from the space where they can place the scaffolding. They have asked their roofer of choice about using a cherry picker but the roofer has said it wasn't possible. It's not clear whether the roofer doesn't want to use a cherry picker or whether there is an issue with it. They have told us it is a problem that we are installing a gazebo as it will prevent them to access their roof from our garden in the future?!?  
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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
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Deadline day for A & L to issue a defence. Nothing heard since I made application to the County Court so - if nothing in today's post, I assume they are not intending to defend and I have won? I complete the "Notice of Issue" that the court sent along with my copy of claim requesting immediate payment in full (with interest) if nothing arrives in today's post. Anything else I need to do - or just sit back and await my cheque? Any info much appreciated.

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I'm in same position as you Holte. I am just back from holiday and deadline for A&L to issue a defence was 9th September. They haven't done so or issued me a cheque, so I'll be filing a Request for Judgment. So far you and I are the only ones I can find who have had to do this with A&L so I'm wondering if this is a new tactic or if claim has been overlooked.

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How are you both getting on?

 

I'm claiming against A & L as well and have recieved my first rejection letter today. (How will I cope!!) It was the 'oft were refering to credit cards and we are in line with our competitors' letter. Do you think they are starting to defend themselves now? I hope you both get your money back, especially Holte41. It's good reading what others have acheived. :)

 

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Jayney

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How are you both getting on?

 

I'm claiming against A & L as well and have recieved my first rejection letter today. (How will I cope!!) It was the 'oft were refering to credit cards and we are in line with our competitors' letter. Do you think they are starting to defend themselves now? I hope you both get your money back, especially Holte41. It's good reading what others have acheived. :)

 

Kind regards,

 

Jayney

 

Hi, Janey.

 

Click on 'New Thread' on the forum's main page and start a thread for yourself.

 

That way you can keep us all informed of your progress and you can ask for any advice or encouragement you need along the way. :cool:

Holte, still keeping fingers crossed for you, dude. Hope they settle sooner rather than later.

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Well done and congrats Holte41!

 

99.9% of the way there now. How long until they have to pay up - does it state on the judgement?

 

Just sent S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)'s to two more banks from previous accounts dating a few years back. I'm claiming for everything i'm entitled to ...they are edit gits!

 

Jase

A&L Claim SETTLED IN FULL 16/09/06 :D

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No as I had no response to my claim through the court just sent back to the court the request for judgement. Court sent me a judgement in my favour last week, but so far nothing received from A & L. Judgement says they are to pay forthwith - so I am wondering how long would be reasonbale before taking next step if necessary - could use advice and would appreciate if someone could advise which of the options open to recover is the best to take?

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If your claim was done through MCOL which I think it was I think you should contact them and ask for advice. You may also find guidance on the MCOL website. I think you need to issue a warrant next, but check it out.

 

If A&L say they didn't receive the claim they may ask for the judgment to be overturned, but with a bit of luck they will just see that you meant what you said and cough up.

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Hi. I think our claims have just been overlooked in the avalanche they must be getting by now, because I got my cheque this morning for £1493! And this was before I got the judgement. I e mailed the Chief Executive two weeks ago and got a letter saying they were looking into it. I didn't wait for that just sent request for judgement to Leicester County Court. Your cheque will be with you soon Holte, just contact them.

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Many thanks. Claim was NOT done through MCOL, but directly through local County Court. I have telephoned A&L Customer Services and they denied all knowledge so I shall be writing today to advise A&L I intend to issue a warrant. Will keep you all posted!

 

DO NOT WRITE TO ALLIANCE AND LEICESTER! You have placed this matter in the hands of the court and you must leave it to them to sort the matter out. Contact the court and ask what the next step should be.

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Yes, Holte, the problem is not yours to sort but the court's!

For whatever reason, A&L are in some sort of non-compliance situation with the court, and the court won't like this; they'll want to sort it out themselves.

All you will want to do is point out the situation to the court.

Keep going Holte, I think you're doing a great job, especially when you take into account all the upheaval you've had to deal with recently. :cool:

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It has arrived folks!!!!! Following a call to A&L (nd the county court requesting application form to issue warrant of execution)on Thurdsday - cheque arrived today!!!!! Been a long hard slog but I got there - never doubted it. Will be off to deposit cheque with my new bank on Monday and make donation to the site as soon as it has cleared. Thanks to all for the advice and support - and all still going through the process DON'T give up!!!

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Not before time. Congratulations.

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We have sent the LBA and recieved the standard bogof letter. Found them quick to reply to all letters. Now to start the court claim form filling!!!!!! They've only just gone and added another failed charge on to the account and refused to pay it back.

Do I add this to the spreadsheet and total amount for claiming?

Data Protection Act letter to Cap 1

Data Protection Act letter to Cap 1 for Wife

Dpa letter to Citicards,

Sent 21st Aug, Cheque cashed by Citi,so far.

Charges request to A & L,

Bog Off letter from A&l,Cap 1 and Citi

LBA sent to Cap 1, A&L & Citi 18/10/06

21/10/06 Bog Off Letter from A & L

01/11/06 Cap 1 replied For £1000 claim offered refund of £408.

Cap 1 replied for claim for £780 claim offered £296.

Will accept offers but will reply that we will pursue claims for full settlement.

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I don't see why you shouldn't add it on too, but I was advised to remind them the account was in dispute so they don't take any further action.

Alliance and Leicester: started 2/9/6, LBA 7/11/06.

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