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I just wish there was more we could do. This is so frustrating.

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Well the supermarkets are the latest addition to join the long list of companies found out to be ripping off its customers, is there no company in this godforsaken country who has any morals at all were mony is concerned. Anybody got a canoe I can borrow for a year or two!!! ;) ...................

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Hi Jeanette

Good to hear you are still snapping and snarling at the banks and judges. Hope you have a better outcome with this hearing, though I think its probably a futile hearing. Hope I am wrong though. Don't give up the fight though!!

Mandy xx

Reclaiming £2200 from Yorkshire Bank 5.2.07

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HI there, best of luck on the 12th and will be interesting to see how the judge views what will be the undoubted request for a further stay from YB.

I am about to get round to making contact with my local court as my stay is up on 11/3 and so will be waiting with baited breath.

Abit late now for you, but wondered whether prior to any second hearing, it would be worth makign another attempt at getting the judge to set draft directions regarding disclosure of costs?

Did you submit anythign different from the first court date?

Best of luck again

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hi RossD1968, an thanks for your good wishes , its was the judge that ordered my stay an didnt show up for the telephone hearing he ordered check out my thread as ive posted what has happened so far. Its been a long road for me. The date of issue on my claim is end march 2007 so will soon be a year since started my claim through the courts, was nov year before i first sent letter 2 bank, The stay was put on my claim days before my court date. Ill be honest am not expecting anything this time with the test case still underway but lets hope we all get the result we want from this test case very soon. Will be great to see the words "WON WON WON " again getting posted

 

 

A big thank you to all the help an support from my fellow CAGGERS wouldnt of been able to do this without it. An when i finally get my cash back the first thing will be a donation to this wicked site xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:cool:

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Yes come on Jeanette. I think we can guess the result but I hope you at least got to have your say this time.

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hi there guys long time no post .. am bk ...with a question .....in my letter i got informing me of the stay put on my claim i seem to remember it said that i had to wait till the final judgement of the test case or a month after the 31st october 2008 which ever came soonest to apply for a judgement on my claim is that still in force or wot am a bit confused ...does it mean i can apply or wot where do i stand

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hi, i am so glad someone has posted on here again.

i too am totaly out of the loop now, my case was put on hold 2 weeks before i was due in court and i am none the wiser were i stand?

any help and i would be very interested to listen

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my case was stayed days before my court date an have applied unsuccessfully to have it removed but i do remember the letter saying that i had to wait for either a final judgement of the test case or a month after the 31st october 2008 am curious to c if it still stands an i can now do something about finally gettin my money back an if so wot do i do next ............any help would be wicked thanks y all :confused:

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if a judgement hadnt been given on the case the letter states i can apply for a judgement on my case a month after the31st oct 08 ..an it has passed that so surely i must b able to do something now regardless if final judgement has been given or not on the test case i had forgotten about it as i recon many others have aswell

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maybee you are right, i cant remember anything about a judgement but then again im not sure were the letter is i recieved from the bank, its been so long. ill keep looking at this thread incase anything arises but i dont think my advice would be sufficient. :)

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check out ya past posts i did as i dont remember to hand where the original letter is at min but i think its on page 5 of mine i mention the letter informing me of the stay an i have mentioned the date 31st oct as a deadline if final judgement hadnt been reached i am going to hunt out the letter to c wot it says exactly

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My opinion for what is worth would be that the courts are quite happy to keep the stays on and just sit on our court fees, as they have managed to close the floodgates and I doubt they would have the bottle to do the right thing no matter what your letter say's Jeanette, hope I am wrong but I think we could still be having this conversation in 2020. :rolleyes:..............

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am going to hunt out the original letter an we will c ....i like u think am wasting my time an yeh we will still be talking bout this 4 years to come but it aint over till the fat lady sings ... is good to see familiar names are still on here hi to u all xx

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