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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business CEntre Name of the Claimant ? Lowell Portfolio i Ltd How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue –  15 Feb 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claim is for the sum of £922 due by the Defendant under and agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 for a Capital One account with an account reference of [number with 16 digits] The Defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a Default Notice was served under s.87(1) of the Consumer Credit ACt 1974 which has not been complied with. The debt was legally assigned to the claimant on 16-06-23, notice of which has been given to the defendant. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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After reading through the FAQ I'm slightly more confident than I was last week. Presently, I have received the defence from the bank, which will have been sent to Northampton (MCOL).

 

  • Am I now waiting for a court date to be sent via MCOL?

  • Do I need to download the AQ, or will that be sent to me in due course?

 

Thank you, I am finding it daunting because it has been a bit easy up until now. I am still reading this forum, so if the answers are obvious to the longer standing members, please leave links to the appropriate sections.

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I am at the same stage as you, in that i received the "defence" from abbey this morning, the court will write to you with details of what happens next and what you now need to do, they will do this once they receive the defence from abbey, until it is received by a court the defence is not filed

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Thank you ICY!!! :D That is what I suspected but didn't want to leave to chance.

 

Mine did indeed say "without prejudice", but I didn't read too much into that as I thought it was like saying "my statutory rights are not affected"

 

The basic meaning is 'without loss of any rights'. It is a term used when two parties are in dispute, and one makes a settlement offer to the other. It puts 'without prejudice' on its offer to make it clear that the settlement offer should not be construed as a waiver of rights. Importantly, communication marked 'without prejudice' cannot be used in evidence in court proceedings if the attempts at settlement fail and the dispute comes to court.

Finance Glossary : Without prejudice

 

Just pulled the above from an on line glossary. If it cant be used in evidence, is that an indication that they wont be using that defence in court?

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as far as i have picked up anything marked w/p cant be used in a court, so to me this effectivly means they havent submitted a defence, i have asked the question on my thread, hopefully one of us will get a firm answer on this one

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  • 3 months later...

I'm going through my witness statement now and preparing my court bundle.

 

23. My assessment of the costs of the charging process

Prior to the commencement of these proceedings, I asked the Defendant to provide evidence of any manual intervention that may have occurred in relation to my

account, under a Subject Access Request pursuant to s.7 of the Data Protection Act 1998. No records of any manual intervention or involvement whatsoever

could be provided. My Subject Access request letter and Abbey’s response letter are attached in support of this statement as exhibit ***.

 

I never asked for this, or if I did using a template letter, I can't find reference to it. Do I just take out this paragraph 23(as well as paragraph 220 and renumber?

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  • 3 weeks later...

Due in court tomorrow and thoroughly expecting a stay. Just a couple of things:

 

1. Although I have sent my bundle to court and to Abbey, I have not received a bundle back. I should have had one by now surely. Reading through some other posters threads, am I right that this is Abbeys want as they are sure to get the stay and do not have to prepare like the rest of us laypeople?

 

2. Is there any point submilling a challenge to the stay, given their non compliance above?

 

Could one of you nice people advise me what to expect tomorrow, whether it is worthwhile handing in a non compliance letter to court and the abbey or whether I should save my nevrse and just await the outcome of the OFT decision?

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and just for clarity. The bundle I should have got 14 days before the court date is not the same as "the defence" that abbey sent to me when I first applied through MCOL.

 

Sorry about all the posts but I'm very nervous and feel quite lost and alone in a sea of threads and templates. I just want to be sure I have everything that applies to me vs abbey.

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Hi Giltastic

 

Good luck for today:)

i have had my case stayed, after submitting a letter for non-complience so i have major headache now! just totally fed up with the courts as they just dont seem to be bothered.

Hope you have better luck to cheer us all up:)

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and just for clarity. The bundle I should have got 14 days before the court date is not the same as "the defence" that abbey sent to me when I first applied through MCOL.

 

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No they are not the same . You definately wont recieved any type of bundle from the abbey

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Well that was a waste of an afternoon. Stay has been granted. I must admit, if you excuse the expression, I was bricking my pants. :(

 

Anyone battling Abbey, don't hold your breath at St Helens court, it just felt like the judge there had made his mind up on what the outcome of the sitting was going to be.

 

Well, it was to be expected really. Roll on 14th January, eh?

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hi, yes unfortunately it was to be expected, but you can apply to have the stay lifted especially if you can proove financial hardship

Lula

 

Lula v Abbey - Settled

Lula v Abbey (2) - Settled

Lula v Abbey (3) - Stayed

 

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