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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I bought it at a post office and paid for it by cheque. I telephoned the bank to make sure the cheque went thru and it did about 4 days after I wrote it. so I know it is not my fault - all I can think is there was a glitch between teh post office and the DVLA over which I would have no control let alone knowledge of it...

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So your tax disc is your proof of the fact you did tax your car. I would go to court with the tax disc and all the correspondence you have between you and DVLA and then show it to the court and ask for your expenses.

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I think there have been a lot of "glitches" with the DVLA's new automated system.

They have this new super database of who has tax and who dosen't and I'm wondering if this database dosen't automatically issue penalty's as and when there is a small glitch. It's all computerized which leaves it open to loads of problems.

It's just a thought.

Subject Access Request for Kensington sent:23/11/06

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) for Clysdale sent on 24/01/07 which they lost, sent again on 04/04/07

 

AA Payed in full £85:00 15/07/06 woo hoo!!

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Thank you very much - what is the likelihood of getting what are now going to be hefty expenses..ie airfares etc? an I claim for victimisation and stress??? That's how it feels and noone ever seems to cost that into equations.. I still cope but often wonder how many deaths thru stress this sort of stuff causes.. seriously.

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Have you tried contacting the court to inform them that your car was taxed and that you attending on the 12th June will be a complete waste of time, given the fact the car was taxed and you have the tax disc for it?

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Well... sort of :( I was told about the court thing and the date by my daughter as the summonses had arrived and I just assumed I had to attend as it was a summonse so I booked the flight! Later I did phone the court and they said no chance (more politely..) and that I could send the stuff in but that is all very well but the stuff is in the UK and I am here...so really to check on what my daughter has done in her efforts to help I still need to go there as it is all in my name ... hence the horrible costs and if I had known I would have avoided going...

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One thing we haven't established here is the exact reason why you are having to go to court. Why have you been summonsed. If you have the exact wording to hand that would be useful. You mentioned your daughter paid £65, what was that for?

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And did the court clerk tell you that you wouldn't be able to attend? That's rubbish, I'm sorry - when you have a case presented against you, you have the right to be there to defend yourself.

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Go to court. Be sure to go there and defend yourself. Put your case foreward. If you can win your case, then you can look into getting expenses refunded. Ask them at the court what to do about getting expenses refunded.

But if you lose make sure you pay the fine within a month or you'll get a CCJ and then you will be incapable of getting any decent credit for 6 years.

Subject Access Request for Kensington sent:23/11/06

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) for Clysdale sent on 24/01/07 which they lost, sent again on 04/04/07

 

AA Payed in full £85:00 15/07/06 woo hoo!!

King's Lyn Gym, £550 settled. Woo hoo my first win!

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The DVLA told her that was the fee to avoid getting a CCJ slapped on me and so she did it. I am sorry I cannot provide the specific wording of anything as I haven't seen it as it is in ngland so I will see it all the day before I go to Court!! I honestly don't see how I can lose as I paid for my tax disc and I have the disc which was issued and paid for in teh July and they claim I didn't have it in the Septemeber - yet it was a 12 month disc!! Mad or wot mate?

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It's totally mad. I would be making a formal complaint to DVLA as it is clear their system is flawed. You have a tax disc and proof it was paid for and the payment has cleared your bank account.

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The Court Clerk did not tell me I couldn't attend. Just said I didn't have to attend as the evidence could be sent in. Which is not possible as i am here and the Court is a plane ride away!! Post from here is not the most reliable either - even if I had the docs here - which I haven't. Ho Hum happy days eh... still it is:) sunny today

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Hi again and yes Rob, the biggest larf > is the fact they are chasing me for something I bought some two months before ie purchased in July and they start chasing re September and we are going to court the following June which is some 11 months after I bought the ruddy disc!! Have a nice weekend everyone...

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Yeah I dont mind You hijacking me at the moment.

I have been speaking to someone about a way to get this CCJ removed. It's a long slow process but I think I'm going to give it a try.

Lot's of letters to Northampton Bulk Centre, but I'm used to this now.

Subject Access Request for Kensington sent:23/11/06

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) for Clysdale sent on 24/01/07 which they lost, sent again on 04/04/07

 

AA Payed in full £85:00 15/07/06 woo hoo!!

King's Lyn Gym, £550 settled. Woo hoo my first win!

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Hope you don't mind me throwing this into the same thread, as there's a similar situation arising.

 

I received an invitation to relicense my vehicle last February, but as I was going abroad and the vehicle was garaged, I'd declare a SORN. Went to the PO in good time to hand over the form as it must have been pension day I couldn't wait in the queue and bought a stamped envelope instead and dropped it in the post box.

 

Returning home in mid-May, go through all the mail and junk correspondence and think nothing about it. Since half the month was gone, I needed an MoT so scheduled this to be done at the month end in time for the 1st June relicensing date. On the day I go for the MoT, I receive a letter from DVLA's Poole 'Continuous Registration' centre, stating that as I've not sent in a SORN, my vehicle is unlicensed etc etc and if I pay before 16/06/07, they'll let me off with a £40 fine, otherwise, it'll be £80.

 

I replied on the form they provided, stating the SORN was posted BEFORE the old tax disc expired, and that having just received an MoT, I would be relicensing it from the start of the month. I also pointed out the reason for the SORN (the vehicle being off the road).

 

Their response, in an unsigned letter, stated that they acknowledge all SORN applications within 4 weeks, so I should have queried its non-receipt (which was a pointless comment, as I wasn't at home awaiting their unexpected contact).

 

Since the courts are happy to accept that a letter that is posted is reasonably expected to be delivered within 2 days, I'm wondering if I can use this to assert that the form was indeed returned in good time, and in the same way as any other of my SORN declarations. For good measure, the DVLA didn't bother to enquire why relicensing or a SORN had not been made (not that it would have made much difference in this scenario).

 

I've still to receive their response to my second letter, stating that I could not have been aware of the lack of an acknowledgement letter, but assuming they remain unmoved, I'm tempted to pay the £40 under duress, then raise a Small Claims action against them for its return.

 

Has anyone done this, or has any suggestions as how I may force this issue?

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:-x Hi there and thogh it may not help you I would like to relate another DVLA quirk! In August 2005 we informed them that the vehicle was going to be taken off the road as it was being shipped abroad in September and therefore no longer taxable in the uk... sure enough some months later we get a later saying it needs taxing. I telephoned them to say we had already written to explain it was going abroad and I was told we would have to write again to confirm it... with hindisight I and on the basis of current lala situation I thinkit is fair to say their records handling and data division must have gone down the tubes or is awol!! Go 4 the small claim if you don't mind the hassle factor they (Govt) get away with far too much!! We couldn't!
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No feel free to get your woes off your chest regarding DVLA. Their beurocracy and data handling are causing problems for so many.

I think this "super" computer they have regarding data on all vehicles tax circumstances is a bit off.

Subject Access Request for Kensington sent:23/11/06

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) for Clysdale sent on 24/01/07 which they lost, sent again on 04/04/07

 

AA Payed in full £85:00 15/07/06 woo hoo!!

King's Lyn Gym, £550 settled. Woo hoo my first win!

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