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oh i didnt realise that was the case...

 

in the notes section of mine it states:- if u do not attend and do not give notice that u will not attend the district judge may strike out your defence...

 

is that anygood

 

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No, that just concerns non-attendance at the hearing.

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They mustn't count weekends then. I'd better phone too before I send letter I guess. No post for me either today.

Think judgement not as good as we'd like it to be, jshtr's thread has something on it I think - anyone help us?

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i'll have a peep. its hard to not get disheartened with this but by god its taking its toll.

 

my son has been off school for two weeks with chicken pox and had it really bad, first day back at school today, my daughters 1st birthday yesterday then last night she came down with it as well and is really miserable, then that today, sounds like friday 13th came early for me lol

 

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You have had a rough week then! I just checked with court, she agreed 11th is still the date, includes weekends, but that they are behind by 10 days entering paperwork. She said to carry on and it was fine, as SC&M should serve on me as well anyway by the 11th. So I will be going ahead with the letter tomorrow, giving them the 7 days.

 

Surely you could still write that letter - it still gives them the 7 days you were told to give them extra by your court? I don't see why when the order says 14 days you should wait to write the letter really, it's only expressing a request for them to submit documents within the timescale anyway, and is more ammo at the end?

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i'll have a peep. its hard to not get disheartened with this but by god its taking its toll.

 

my son has been off school for two weeks with chicken pox and had it really bad, first day back at school today, my daughters 1st birthday yesterday then last night she came down with it as well and is really miserable, then that today, sounds like friday 13th came early for me lol

 

Looks like your having a really (chicken) poxy few weeks!

Hopefully this will all be over for you soon. I've seen all the help you've given others and i wish i could offer you some advice, but i cant :oops: , so i'll just say good luck and hopefully someone will be along soon that can:)

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:D thanks very much...

i know its not got long to go, my first claim was pretty straight forward even though i had stress with that... but its the disclosure notice i'm not really sure on, as in what happens after it etc etc, i guess time will tell

 

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I forgot to wish you a happy birthday last week, although with your kids ill and not getting anything from Lloyds I guess it could have been better?!

 

Lets hope you get a belated pressi and I get an early one!

 

- Do you know how to make a link to your thread, I can't do it for that info GaryH wants on court cases. Tried loads of ways but for an IT techy I wouldn't employ me!

 

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hi ya,

 

like u i cant link threads either, i thought i had worked it out but all the links i had posted to people were invalid :o ooppss

 

i had a great birthday thanks, husband did dinner with candles, wine etc etc and was lovely, if lloyds paid up this week it would be even better :D

 

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thought i'd try my luck and call [problem] today, my case is being looked at and a decision is being sent out by letter... (tell me something i dont know :rolleyes:)

 

which i'll get in the next couple of days ( ok that means 2/3 weeks then)

 

sarcastic i know but ive heard it all before along with everyone else

 

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well nothing from [problem] today, why is it i feel more disheartened about this one than my first claim, i thought i had done really well by getting the disclosure notice but things seem to be dragging on even more

 

 

any advice anyone:(

 

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Hiya,

 

same advice you giving me! hang in there. Still think you should send letter today, as previous post. we had the same date, and your actual paper order says 14 days so I'd go by that still. If you hadn't phoned the court you wouldn't have been told any different, so I'd carry on regardless as they say!

 

I think the court were telling you same as me, that THEY are behind by 10 days, but Lloyds should still have sent us paperwork at home on time - mine certainly hasn't arrived, and as we both know, it's not going to!

 

SC&M gave me the impression they were paying everyone when they get told to yesterday, so I think it's just a waiting or chasing game, whichever you prefer without driving yourself mad.

 

Go girl!

 

Fzrkitten.

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Hi hun,

 

How's things today? Sorry I wasn't on-line last night, my pc has developed a strange green sickness, either graphics card or a virus, not sure which!

 

You heard anything today? I am going to phone SC&M later and make sure they got my letter yesterday (faxed) and this morning (post!).

 

You got the letter they were sending you yet?

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You have to carry on, who am I gonna drink champagne with? I'm looking forward to that!

 

It will all be fine for both of us, we have both won in effect, like I said, just the waiting game...

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hi kazzie nobody came back to me about the disclosure notice so non the wiser on that,

 

fzrkitten, i think its lack of sleep my daughter still has chicken pox and has sleep 4 hrs out of 48 so still running around on caffine..

 

i should know what [problem] are like but it doesnt make it any easier.

 

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