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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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right i have used a letter from the template section and have tinkered with it a little...

 

Dear Sirs

 

Thank you for your letter dated 08 March 2007. I respectfully decline your gesture of goodwill as a Full and Final settlement of the charges I requested in the letter I sent to your company dated 31 January 2007.

You may not have been aware that I commenced legal action against you for the full amount plus interest and costs on 23 Febuary 2007 and was acknowledged by your compnauy on 26 Febuary 2007. I would ask that you now refer this matter to your legal department for further instruction.

 

I wish to stress that I do not accept your gesture of goodwill as Full and Final settlement and the money transfered to my account should not be viewed as my acceptance. I hereby authorise you to remove this sum accordingly if you deemed it to be a Full and Final settlement and not a getsure of goodwill. Alternatively, should you wish to settle my claim in full, then please forward the balance of the claim (£xxxx) without further conditions and I will inform the court that the claim is settled.

 

 

does it seem ok or not???? :)

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sorry u lost me on WP ??? i phoned the courts and they were happy to add anything i sent them to help my case, even anything niff naff or trivial.. then they said if for any reason i lost anything and asked abbey for them they might say they dont have them but i would still have a back up copy with the courts... so if u want to play safe like i am for the sake of say £1 send recorded to courts for the attention of court manager with a note saying

 

Please find enclosed the recent correspondence I have had with the defendant reference the refund of my bank charges and interest.

Please can this information be attached to my claim XXXXXXXX and any further correspondence with my self and defendant will be forwarded as well in due course.

 

Yours sincerely

 

i have four copies of everything :D computer, disc, paper copy and one with the courts... not taking any chance...

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WP is "Without Prejudice". Can't be used in court by either side as it's an attempt to reach a settlement outside court.

All advice offered here is my opinion only based on what I would do in a given situation. If you wish to act on it you do so at your own discretion

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I have no legal expertise or qualification, and give advice on the basis of my own experience and nothing else.

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damm damm.... those crafty buggers at abbey... left it to a few days before their defence had to be in and filed it.... well i am now on the next step now... what shall i do... i have all letters copied and on disc and sent to courts so i have a start of a bundle... i know the AQ will follow soon..

thinking of setting up a new account with barcleys.. they look a good and honest bank.... :p

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well ..... things r moving quicker than u can imagine.... today i recieved abbeys defence and the AQ with a return date no later than 9 april... thought i might have to wait a few weeks for these.... they have also moved the court to my local one.. thats a relief cause i thought i was going to have to do that myself... standard defence from them, just some cut and paste in their legal dept on the figures and it is the same letter.. going to go through the AQ and if i dont understand things i will endever to ask for ur help.... roughly how long after AQ is returned do i get a court date????

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just been getting all the info together for my AQ before i write it out.. then i had a brain fart :shock: ..... some of the stuff i have to write might not fit in the boxes... can i add attachments and say " see page xxxx " or does it have to be written all on the paper... u see i have big seasame street writing.. big crayons and all.... also the pdf version u gave in the above link.. is that ok to use and send of or do u need the original AQ??? have till 9 april.. no rush yet but it will creep up and bite u on the bottom....

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right have been using the online AQ and need some help..

 

1.. at the begining it says have i sent copies to other parties.. reading other threads i guess i dont????

 

2.clicked yes in prt 2 of protocal. is this all the information passing between me and abbey since i have requested my charges back ie: what the charges were, amounts etc etc???

 

3.put myself as witness but what is the witness to fact.. is it a really obvious answer :confused: ???

 

4.although the claim is for £15549.80p i applied for small claims adding the little bit about " this claim is not a complicated one etc etc" copied from other threads requesting being allocated to small claims ....

 

5.what shall i put for proposed direction???

 

6.in the space for other info what shall i put..

 

also can i use this print out version to send to courts or shall i use original one sent to me??

 

please help.. ;)

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bumpty bump... still need some help...

 

would it also be an idea to email james arrandale reference the letter i sent abbey last week with regards to their GOGW.. heard nothing back and i gave them a week to pay the rest or i will carry on with the whole claim... this is it..

 

Dear sir

As you are aware I have entered a claim for a refund of charges and intrest with your company. At the moment we have reached the stage of a defence filed by Abbey and I have now completed my Allocation Questionnaire. I received a Gesture of Goodwill a few weeks ago for an amount of £1153. I replied back with the letter attached to this email. I gave Abbey a week to reply to the letter and if we did not come to an agreement I would carry on with the claim for the full amount. I have not received a reply and I am asking you again if you will like to settle the claim before the allocation questionnaire is posted and a further £100 is added to the claim.

Here is a contact number if you would like to discuss the matter further, xxxxxxxxx, or feel free to use this email address

I hope to hear from you soon to deal with this claim before any further costs are incurred.

Yours faithfully

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Adam

Call James on the number on the top right of the letters he has sent you.

You may have to try and catch him at this desk, so it might take half a dozen attempts but, in my experience and others it appears, if you get to talk to him, you can do the deal with him on the phone, he's no mug and understand's Abbey's position but another one settled is another one off his desk.

 

By the way, he will not answer voicemails left on that number, but he will answer the phone eventually. Be polite and he will do the same with you.

 

Good luck and keep us informed.

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thanks for that.... is there a best way to approach him.... do i just blurt it out out or do i butter him up first.... is best just to ask for the lot or see what he is willing to offer???? i have a figure i will accept to finish this claim off... i wont be selling myself short but as the claim will be 16049.80p if i send of the AQ i will accept close to £15000.... any help will be grateful.....

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thanks... i will take iit... do u have a number.... as u may of read in my posts i am holding onto my AQ for a day or two so i can contact abbey to say i have it completed and to save u even more money do you want to settle... also why speak to inga and not james... the only time i have heard of inga is by threads on here... thanks again for all ur help....

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hi adam

 

good luck with ur claim, shabbey must b the most thickest bank on this planet, well 2nd 2 BCCI bank my claim was originally 4 £5587 but 2 save me some cash when i file my claim which will b next week i've deducted £2.50 from each charge which a judge agreed with in a recent court case was a pretty reasonable amount 4 banking charges......if shabbey had come 2 me at the start and said " hey buddy will u accept " £4500 end of?"

i'd hav said "no problemo"..........but because shabbey play very hardball people had on interest an costs and they end up payin way over the odds

(even though we'r entitled 2)

"WHY:mad: "..........i've read posts where alot of banks av settled on the 1st letter even 2nd saving them ££££s..........my claim will push it above £6000+ an I will b goin 4 every penny from shabbey

THEY WANNA PLAY HARDBALL.............SO WILL I:D

good luck dude

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gave abbey all the chances to settle before i posted my AQ... had 4 days left and decided to post it after i got theirs today... theirs was basic... they even asked for a stay of one month to try and settle... cheeky buggers... i have been emailing for over 10 days now.... so completed my AQ and added on the other info section i decline their request for a stay as ( i included a print out of my inbox and the email i have been sending everyday) they have made now effort to settle but i have gave them ample time to.. backed this up with proof of letters including all the emails i sent... put in a better version of their poor effort of a draft for direction... at least they asked for it to go to smalls claims track like i did... what was their reason .. oh yes "in the interests of commerciality the defendant consents to the entirety of the claim disposed in the small cliams track".. what i can gather is 1: they dont intend to turn up. WHAT A SURPRISE !!! 2: if it went to multi-track they will be liable for much more costs when they lose or dont turn up... so i guess all the times they ask for small track they have no intention of turning up... am i right.. yes.8-)

 

well i am going to email everyday now till either we meet in court and i can show the courts they dont bother to answer ( been emailing inga and james) or they answer with all my cash.... oh yes buggers cost me another £100... atleast i can add it to my total £16049.80p... now i am going to try for prep time...:o

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Hi,

so i guess all the times they ask for small track they have no intention of turning up... am i right.. yes.
I used to think it was to avoid Standard Disclosure (which doesn't apply in SCC), but I think you're probably right. I'll be interested to see how the Judge allocates it - big claim, CI ?

 

Also, big claim + CI suggest that Abbey will play hard ball. If you haven't already, best start thinking through what their gameplan will be. Personally, I would expect them to ignore all your contacts and to bide their time, then ambush you at the Court before you go in to offer full settlement of the charges. You must refuse because if you accept, you'll give them free reign to go in front of the Judge and attack your CI arguments without having to worry about disclosing anything about the costs of defaults. Think through what reason you will give for refusing. It might even be worth stating that, from your point of view, that the conversation is "Without Prejudice" - then they can't use what you say minutes later in Court (if they decided to press on). Not trying to worry you - it's just that forewarned is forearmed. On the other hand, you might get a cheque tomorrow. Who knows. Regards, Mad Nick

Abbey £8370 settled 17 Apr 07

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see thats what i thought....they cant contest the interest if the charges have not been settled ... they have to go into court and fight both or none.. am i right... i will not settle for anything less then all... i have full confidence... will only sign for something if its full amount and i want all in writing.... as i said in my AQ ...writing is hard proof of what is said... phone calls and conversations(unless taped) is hearsay and can be misinterpreted.... anyway i feel lucky.... why not.... we both asked for samll claims and i think the judge will see this is another one to add to the growing list... hope so....

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Adam,

 

I know it's too late now but pmahonc has a large claim and has gone Afast Track and his directions from the court have stated standard disclosure by 24th April, which speeds things up considerably because I can't imagine abbey agreeing to this, whcih means their only other option is to settle.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/54099-pmahonc-abbey-3.html

 

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