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    • Paragraph 2. I think there should be further down and also you should make the point that the payment to was made unilaterally and without the imposition of any conditions. Paragraph 3 – this is unnecessary because you are not claiming as an entitled third-party. This worries me because it makes me feel that you haven't fully read around because this is a paragraph which you would include where you were suing EVRi as a beneficial third party because you had actually made your contract with Packlink or some other broker. I think you need to revisit and do some more reading. I'm afraid I have a sense that you have simply copied this from somebody else's witness statement without understanding that it wasn't necessary. Please can you post the amended draft. Other than the suggestions above, it looks okay – but let's see it again for a further appraisal. In terms of the evidence, parties bundle, I think it might be an idea to start off with the correspondence with EVRi and then go onto the other evidence. You will have to amend the index page accordingly. You could shorten this bit. Take 19 is pretty well blank and you may as well miss it out also, there seems to be some repetition of emails and the email chain. I think will be worth going through and getting rid of duplicates if you can. 49 pages is a bit long and it would be a good idea to try and reduce the number. I have a feeling that 50 pages as the County Court limit anyway. The judge will be happier with you if the bundle is smaller. Maybe you could reduce the size of some of the images or messages et cetera. You have got several messages which straddle onto a second page so that things like sign off information and standard confidentiality information become orphans. A bit of manipulation and they could be joined to their parents I think. Page 31 as an example. So is page 19. You may only be up to shorten the whole thing by 56 pages – but I think it would be a good idea. 56 pages is, after all, 10%. If you can do more then so much the better
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Please dont worry about going to court, I am a police constable of 20 years standing and go to court requlary. The oldest trick in the book is to test your bottle and take you up to the last minute , stand your ground believe me they are sweating more, stick with it

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Hi everyone, thanks for the messages, it gives us all confidence to continue into the scary world of bailiffs and warrants. I tried to request a warrant online just now but made an error with the amount and had to contact the court to block it. I can't request online now but have filled in form N323 and am just off to the post office. I'll keep you informed.

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Ok, what will probably happen is that Barclays will contact you to say that they want to apply for a set-aside, and that they will pay you in full as long as you don't object to it.

 

Be aware that objecting to the set-aside would cause delays and that a judge would be extremely likely to grant it and set a date for a proper hearing a few weeks down the line. Then Barclays would settle a few days before that hearing. That certainly has been their modus operandi for a while.

 

Be ready for a phone call, and make sure they are aware you will only call off the bailiffs once settlement has reached you. Don't forget to add your warrant fee to the total they have to repay, if not already in the total figure.

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Well our claim has now been transferred to Leicester Crown Court as this is closer to the defendant's address (I used their Leicester customer services address from which all their correspondence has been sent). The warrant has been sent to the court so we'll just sit tight and wait now. Still no phone call from Barclays offering to settle so we'll have to see what they say when the bailiffs call round.

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Hi Bookworm, I'm just waiting for the phone to ring but it seems Barclays are stalling for some reason. Wish they'd hurry up and get it over with, our claim's been going on for months and months. But, like you say, the surprise will be worth it in the end.

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Still not heard from Barclays regarding the judgment against them. I've just contacted the court but they haven't received the paperwork for the warrant yet and they said it would probably be a couple of weeks before the bailiffs go in. Could someone please advise if I should contact Barclays (I've got 2 numbers 020 7116 4523 / 5634) to let them know that the judgment's been issued? Just thought it might hurry them up into settling. Thanks.

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Thanks, Crispdust. I'm just getting anxious and want the whole thing finished with. The paperwork for the warrant should be at Leicester Court now but I've been told it could take 2 weeks for the bailiffs to go in. Do claims normally go this far? I expected Barclays to settle before now to be honest.

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Thanks, Mr Rob. Good luck with your claim too. Let me know how you get on. I've just emailed Leicester Court to make sure they've received the warrant paperwork, as soon as they get back to me I'll update my thread.

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Hi everyone. The warrant request has now been received by Leicester County Court although they've advised me that it will take a couple of days to process before the bailiffs are contacted. Can't wait hee hee!! Strange that the judgment's been issued, bailiffs are on their way but still no call from Barclays offering settlement.

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Thanks, Laineybelle. I'm beginning to think I must be invisible or something as I've not heard a peep out of Barclays yet. I'm going to call the Court tomorrow to see if they've issued the warrant as they said it would take a couple of days. Then they send Barclays a letter informing them of the imminent arrival of the bailiffs apparently. Maybe then I'll have the long-awaited phone call. Like you, I wish I could be a fly on the wall when the bailiffs turn up hee hee.

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Keeping you updated, I've just heard from the Court that the warrant was issued yesterday and passed to the bailiffs. Still no phone call from Barclays so let's see what happens when they get the letter from the bailiffs advising them of their visit. Surely the much anticipated phone call from Barclays offering complete settlement can't be far off now hee hee!

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Just a quick reminder to everyone to use the HO address at London on your claim. I used the Customer Services, Leicester LE87 2BB now the bailiffs can't find them. We tried a dirty trick (it's against Barclays so it's not that bad) and rang the Customer Services Leics number and said we had a parcel to deliver to them but we couldn't find them. They were adamant they wouldn't give us their location and said we'd have to take the (imaginary) parcel to any branch in Leicester and they'd collect it from there. Strange eh? Anyway they won't get away that easy. The bailiffs have said that if we let them know the address of any Barclays branch in Leicester they'll happily call round soon. I've also just managed to find a map of the Customer Services location on 192.com and so will send this to the bailiffs too. We'll get em in the end!

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Barclays may have slipped up - they are VERY busy at the moment.

Not your problem though.

When you ahve a date for baliffs to do their stuff, give Barclays a call and see if they want to avoid embaressment and splash across the papers. ( and add on some extra "expenses" for the privilige... :)

Keep in touch with the baliffs. They will appreciate settlement before they go in.

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Do you think I could get a job at the bailiffs in time to be involved in the Baclay's job?!?! How good would that be, taking a judgement into HQ and collecting a wad of cash!!!!!

 

Its good to know Barclay's are so busy they have let this one slip! Good luck Keriat!! Extra kudos for the 'secret' address find on 192! Could you ask the bailiffs to film it?!!

It's my money...

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Way to go keriat.

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