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    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
    • So, your response was not received by the SCP as you did not send it with a valid stamp. Therefore, from my two option in post #14, the first option is the only one available to you, but you do not have the option of asking to be sentenced at the fixed penalty level as the reason the SCP did not receive your response was down to you. Here's a reminder of what to do: Respond to the SJPN by pleading “Not Guilty” to both charges. In the “Reasons for pleading Not Guilty” box state that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing, and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP) charge is dropped. This is a tried and tested method to deal with your problem and is almost always successful. Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to do this "deal" because it needs the agreement of the police prosecutor.. During the pandemic courts made every effort to have as few  people as possible attend and they began doing this deal under the "Single Justice" procedure without the defendant's attendance. Some courts have carried this procedure on whilst others have reverted to a personal attendance being necessary. If you are required to attend, your case will be taken out of the SJ procedure and you will be given a date for a hearing in the normal Magistrates' Court. If that is the way they do it in the area involved you will have to attend, see the prosecutor and offer your "deal" in person. 
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Is there any legal reason why if I have claimed for 2000-2006 successfully from abbey I can not claim from 1994- 2000 with an estimate of charges being the same as 00-to 06. Using the limitations act below...

 

“S.32(1) of the act says:

© the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake; the period of limititation shall not begin to run until the plantiff has discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake, or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it.”

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Fergal, did you estimate your charges for 00 to 06? did you request your statements? have you requested your statements for 94 - 00?

Lula

 

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no I didnt estimate 00-06 I got statements, approx £3k

I have not requested94-2000 as I am sure they are not required to keep this info for this length of time...

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Fergal, before you estimate any costs you have to show that you have gone to reasonable lengths to acquire the information, so I would get a SAR off to them :D

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do you think it is feasible to claim back for this period and if yes how far back????

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sorry found it, they are claiming for 10 years 96-06, in one go...

mine case is a little different but I am sure is still covered by legals..

 

do you think asking for when my account was opened with them up until 2000 and ask for statements.

when I was a student I paid £000,s of charges I am sure.

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Wotcha..... just watching your thread after luverly Lula's comment. :p

 

Do you not have anywhere copies of your statements from over 6 years ago around your house? The reason I ask is that you wouldn't have to bother Abbey with a statement request as they could easily turn round and say we don't keep info that far back. (If I'm wrong anyone, please correct me :D )

 

No harm in trying however and no harm I'm sure in submitting an estimated claim for that period beyond 6 years ago to a reasonable figure.

 

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Abbey will say they dont have them, almost guaranteed, but theyre probalby not being entirely truthful.

 

If you served a SAR on them from the temp[late library you did in fact ask them for all your data for the accounthistory.

 

My 1st thought isd to write to them rmeinding them you are still waiting for the rest of your statements. :D

 

If they dont send them post their reply and well think of somehting nice to write back, probalby a LBA giving 7 days for non compliance.

 

GLenn

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Where were you? Next time please

 

 

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my abbey account goes back to 95 but they only sent me the last six years of statements when I asked for all statements under the SAR. I would like to go back further too.

 

 

How far back (statements) are they legally obliged to keep and give out?

 

Barclaycard Student credit card £400 partial refund received, S.A.R -

Open & Direct Finance- extortionate, cca to Rockwell debt collection they ran away, now with Bryan Carter, no cca 17/03/08 sent back to Open

Pugsley v Littlwoods, have not received the signed credit agreement only quoting reg of 1983

Pugsley v Fashion World JD williams, 17/03 2008 Debt Managers returning file to JD williams as they could not supply the credit agreement

Capital one MCOL Settled in full

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Pugsely

 

I cannot give you a definitive answer since i haven't found one. All i can tell you is that they have to give you all the data you request if its held in a relevant form.

 

I have been unable to find any definitive bit of paper that says they have to hold data for a specific period and then destroy it. The DPA doesn't refer to a period but it does say they can hold it for as long as necessary and leaves it for the data controller to determine, or it implies this anyway. Don't really want to get into an argument about that issue on this thread because its not relevant to the matters at hand.

 

What i can tell you for fact is that abbey hold archived material on microfiche, each record holds hundreds of individual pages of data, statements, letters, etc.

 

I know that for them to remove an individuals records would be difficult and expensive. Two things which make it extremely unlikely that they will destroy your data specifically.

 

Going on further, when we were trying to influence the ICO over Abbeys fiche system, I spoke to a forum member who used to work in the abbey fiche dept. She told me, and i believe provided a sworn statement, to the effect that she was aware that when she worked there that abbey had data going back to 1926 in some cases.

 

All in all unless a bank or CC company explicitly states that your data for account number so and so was destroyed then i would peruse them into court.

 

I would use the courts because it will concentrate their minds since they wont want to lie in court about your data.

 

I would ask the court for an order instructing the defendant to provide all the data you are entitled to under the DPA. I would ask them to confirm if they hold data but will not provide it under the DPA and if so why.

 

If they do not have data for the whole account history then they need to explain why they dont have this data.

 

I am going through this process now with the co-op who told me they were not obliged to hold data for any more than 6 years. I have data from them following the court action over 9 years old.

 

For some reason they wont close out the case by telling me in writing that they have supplied all the data they hold or whether they hold data but i am not entitled to it and for what reason. I have a directions hearing next Friday so will see what they have to say then.

 

HTH

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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only me again.

thinking about it, when i settled with abbey this week, christine who dealt with it said that she was taking off £150 approx cause i could only claim 6 years from when court action was started not when i approached abbey.

if this is the case can we really legally claim back further?

 

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craig you need to do your research into the whys and wherefores, theres loads of threads that discuss these issues.

 

you question should really be can she do that?

 

And the answer is 'if you let her'.

 

JMHO

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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