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Hi RB - Deller just PM'd me the link here (cheers Deller). I might be able to help - I'm still learning about this myself !!

 

Firstly, in answer to your first question, the answer is yes. Contractual always yields a larger interest figure (quite substantially so in some cases). And, yes, full contractual interest has been won. I have a couple of modest full wins, and a couple more in progress. Not huge amounts, but I won a full claim of £600 with contractual interest recently, with no big bother.

 

However, the sheets in the templates library will NOT work for claiming contractual interest (not without a fight, anyway!). This is because C.I. is calculated differently - it is compounded on a daily basis, whereas statutory is just simple interest. You really need to use the sheets in Vampiress's Google Chambers for this. You need to register (no big deal) to get your own Google workspace, but there is online help & spready-sharing there.

 

I have been exporting some of the spreadies as Excel sheets, so you might like to try Vamp's recommended one. I'll post a link to it for you, later.

 

The columns G,H,I & J are for reclaiming the portion of interest that you were actually charged on the penalties themselves. So for instance, if you were charged £10 interest in a certain month, on an overdraft of £100, then if that £100 included a £20 penalty charge, you can claim back £2 of that interest. This, however, is NOT the contractual interest that really matters. In actual fact, I have never bothered to claim back this apportioned interest, as it rarely seems to amount to very much in relation to the claim, and is quite time-consuming to work out.

 

The contractual interest is actually interest that has not yet been charged !! It is us actually charging the bank for keeping our money all this time, and at the rate which they charge us for unauthorised borrowing as per the contract we (allegedly) have with them. All you have to do to calculate this is to enter in your spready the current interest rate the bank charges for unauthorised borrowing, and the spready will do the rest.

 

It is important to be sure that you are completely satisfied with your figures before you make your claim, so get this sorted out first. Then and only then should you send in your claim letters to the bank (with a copy of your spready(s).

 

Hope that helps, but read up on some of the contractual interest threads, as well, as that will help you understand what you're doing more.

 

Bill.

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Thanks Deller - you're very kind !!!

Cheers too for the rep - you just got me another blob !!

 

Her's the link to my exported Excel version of Vamp's Google spready No.5:-

 

EDIT: New link inserted:-

 

http://www.cagmembers.go2.to/

 

Give it a minute to download, then save it. Make a blank copy of it before you go filling it in. That way, you always have a spare.

 

But.........READ UP !!!!

 

HTH

 

Bill. :)

 

PS Only fill in columns A,B & C for now. Columns D & E will automatically calculate for you. Column E is your cont. interest. The remainder of the columns are the "interest on bank interest" columns, which you can fill in later if you like, but they're the ones I don't usually bother with !!

 

PPS - use the higher interest rate (unauthorised borrowing) for your primary claim. Make a copy of the finished sheet, and change the interest rate to the lower (authorised) one. You will need this if you have to send in a court claim (which is probably !)

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O....M....G....now I've just realised what I let myself in for, Deller, you crafty S.O.B !!!!

 

I can only hope that LittleAngel is not as full-speed as RB is here !!

 

Now, slow down to a gallop...and read my lips. Now read my post. Slowly.

 

...Give it a minute to download, then save it. Make a blank copy of it before you go filling it in. That way, you always have a spare.

Yes - Make a blank spare copy - at least one !!!

But.........READ UP !!!!

Repeat after me - READ UP !!!!

HTH

 

Bill. :)

 

PS Only fill in columns A,B & C for now. Columns D & E will automatically calculate for you. Column E is your cont. interest. The remainder of the columns are the "interest on bank interest" columns, which you can fill in later if you like, but they're the ones I don't usually bother with !!

 

PPS - use the higher interest rate (unauthorised borrowing) for your primary claim. Make a copy of the finished sheet, and change the interest rate to the lower (authorised) one. You will need this if you have to send in a court claim (which is probably !)

 

If you've tried putting anything into column D or E, you'll have erased the formula in it. I would advise making a another copy of your spare copy (assuming you at least did that !!!). Now close the one you've just been (ab-)using and delete it. Now open up one of your copies - and go slowly !!!

 

So - Read whatever advice you get carefully, before asking for it twice !!!

 

Otherwise I'll be forced to charge you double time, and go round and beat Deller up !!

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Don't panic, bill-k is checking the spreadsheet as we speak!!

Sorry guys - my fault for rushing stuff. Who was it I told to slow down to a gallop ? !!! :D

 

This one should work !!!

 

http://upload2.net/page/download/DyIbFYODcvDdunV/05+Throughout_claim_with_compounded_contractual_interest.xls.html

 

I'll answer the other posts ASAP, now !!

 

Has my @$$ been well & truly kicked !!!

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OK - RB - Please pass me a large slice of that pie, mate. The new one should work. At least it did last time I tried it !!

 

Thanks for helping out there Bobbair. That's a nice fast link you got there, too !! I'll have to find my own webspace sometime !!

 

As I think you realised later, it only calculates simple interest, and not compound, but thanks for stepping in there.

 

Hopefully, we're back to business as usual now, then. I better check the other threads and see who else I've wound up, now !!! :-|

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I always recommend claiming ALL THREE !!

 

I know that sounds stupid, but it is generally recommended that when we file our claim with the court, we claim alternatives. This allows us to claim the max (unauthorised) rate primarily, but allows fallback positions of the lower (authorised) rate, and then the Statutory 8% rate.

 

I have been working on a spready that shows all three, as I believe BF has asked Vamp to do one. I've got a "prototype" which I have based on one of Vamp's Google spreadies.

 

http://upload2.net/page/download/KH5DXXfx6GF1KzW/Copy+of+16_Throughout_claim_with_compounded_contractual_interest.xls.html

 

It is always recommended to only show the primary (max) claim to the bank (ie., with the prelim & LBA), and submit the three rates only when one submits a claim to court.

 

HTH, mate,

 

Bill.

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Well, thank **ck for that - I really couldn't face any more of that bl**dy pie RB !!

 

Post up a sample line of your spready. Use the oldest charge - we need to know: the amount, the date, and the interest rate, and the interest the spready calculated on it. Just as a check.

 

No - do NOT use any rates other than those used contractually. You claim lower rates in the alternative, and only when you submit the claim to court.

 

As I said, use just the current published rates - there is no need to look for older rates. There will be plenty of scope for accepting less than you claimed for, believe me, they will make sure of that !!!

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Sorry been away - apparently there's life outside of CAG !!! :D

 

Thanks again Bobbair - yes, that's right RB. £127.58 on the first charge, £317.02 on the second, and £126.55 on the third.

 

Yes, also right, RB. I always recommend claiming the max rate primarily, but if/when you have to claim in court, you claim the lower and Statutory rates "in the alternative."

 

This gives you a legally-respected fallback.

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Yeah, looks OK to me, mate. Just one thing - that's a fair sized claim. Is it all within the past 6 years, or do some charges go back further ?

 

Oh, and Josamolly - sorry to ignore your question !!

 

The spready is fine for calculating contractual interest on both credit card and current accounts. The difference between the two is only when you use them to claim the actual individual apportionments of interest actually charged on each penalty. You will need the correct sheet if you are doing that, but it depends on your circumstances. It can be very time-consuming for very little gain.

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Er...sorry...er....just a slight little interruptionette, if I may :oops:

 

You may be able to keep it within SCC if you want to, as the allocation is apparently made on the amount of the claim excluding the interest. :)

 

I believe, though, that the fee may still be based on the full total. :Cry:

 

BTW - spread the word. Have you seen this ?

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.c o....st-467620.html

 

The beginning of the end ? :eek:

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Hi Guys and Gals: what a result, think I will send my claims to Newark CC:D

Looks like they'll be inundated !!! Maybe that will force the CPS to circularise the order to all courts to prevent meltdown !!

 

Spread the news.

 

....and put him down, LA - you know where he's been !! :D

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Hi guys - I just got a click for this stuff, I think. Thanks very much.

 

But I gotta give credit where it's due. These sheets are Vamp's sheets. All I've done is export them and rebuild them for Excel.

 

Give the good lady some thanks by donating to CAG when the wonga comes in !!

 

:D

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