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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Alliance ANPR PCN - overstay 11mins - appeal refused - Harlyn bay, Padstow Cornwall


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1 Date of the infringement 29/05/2023
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 02/06/23
 

3 Date received 07/06/2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes, two pictures supplied, one entry and one exit with times
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] Yes, I appealed 07/06/23 and expect a response that it won't be cancelled

 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N
 

7 Who is the parking company? Alliance Parking

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Harlyn bay, Padstow Cornwall
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS

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Hi all. 

I received a PCN notice to keeper from Alliance Parking and foolishly appealed in panic before searching for advice.  I now realise that was a mistake as I have admitted to being the driver. So bearing that in mind should I simply pay early to get the discounted charge?

It was rammed in the car park and we had to park up a long hill and then get the kids out etc.

We got to the parking info and the queues were long to pay for parking at the machine so tried on the app on both our phones but with poor signal we gave in and queued.

We paid for 2 hours (see the attached ticket) but of course the machine only puts the time you paid and not the time we entered/drove into the car park (rather a flaw if you are expected to pay as soon as you exit).

 we finally paid at 12:01 and ensured we exited before the 2 hours were up.

If we had realised you need to pay for more time we would have.

From the recorded times they have we were there 2 hours and 11 mins 36s (not 2 hours).

thanks in advance for any advice

 

 

Ticket purchased and displayed.pdf 2023-06-02 Alliance PCN-NTK incident 29-5-23.pdf

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Alliance ANPR PCN - overstay 11mins - appeal refused - Harlyn bay, Padstow Cornwall

Kahuna,

It wasn't your problem that there was a queue at the paypoint.

Nor was it your fault that phone signal was carp.

Both of these facts equal "frustration of contract".

I'm sure the others will chime in with other valid reasons not to pay.

If you want to fight this and the fleecers are stupid enough to take it all the way to court, it will take time and some effort. (Several months).

If you just want it to go away, just pay the invoice.

Obviously, we'd love you to fight it and will support you fully. (Forum users have an 85% success rate in court, but it doesn't always get that far).

Your choice.

Take a look through some other threads here to get an idea of what's involved.

(Start with the most recent).

 

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yours is not the next move

see if they send a letter of claim.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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SeeNTheir PCN does not comply with the Proventon of Freedoms  Act 2012. That means that only the driver is responsible for the charge. And not the keeper.

Had you not appealed you would not have been liable. It is why we suggest you do not appeal. However is all is not lost and many people have fallen into the trap of appealing and thus making life a bit more difficult for themselves.

The main reason that the PCN is not compliant is that they failed to give you the opportunity to pay the charge on behalf of the driver. Many of the parking rogues fail to comply with Act despite it having been in force for eleven years. 

Tells you all you need to know about their mental acuity.

So many of the rogues fail to get the parking period wrong and Alliance are no exception. It seems beyond their pra brains to realise that quoting the arrival and departure times from their SNPR cameras does not reflect the actual parking period.

Travelling from the arrival point to the parking spot and parking it perfectly within the lines can take several minutes. And then driving out the parking spot to beyond the exit camera can take some time if it is a busy period and other cars are also trying to leave at the same time. 

And this does not take into account disabled and elderly people nor those with small children.

So you actual parking period could be five or more minutes less than their time. Coupled with queues at the pay kiosk could well mean that your actual parking time was within the two hour time frame.

On top of that as you paid there is a five minute Consideration period  at the start of the parking to allow time to read the Terms and see if you want to stay. And at the end of the parking period you have a ten minute grace period.

So with all that going on the wazzacks are pushing it by pursuing you for money you do not owe.

 

 

 

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Er - is the car registration number showing on the purchased ticket?

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Any update here?  We have a new Alliance case and so were wondering how you were getting on.

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Thanks for coming back and letting us know.  This is much appreciated because sadly most people don't.

We have a new Alliance case which has pushed me to look at old cases.  The good news is that, for all their bluster, Alliance have never had the bottle to take a Cagger to court.

Please do come back though if they ever send you a Letter of Claim.

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Even if they have crawled back under the stone, remember they have six years to bring a claim.

Let them know if you ever change address.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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pure speculation, means nothing.

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 16/05/2024 at 00:52, dx100uk said:

pure speculation, means nothing.

Apologies, yes of course, Kev has obviously being re-running his database against the non-payers list on the run up to the anniversary of the infringements ..

Perhaps he looked at yours and realised the 11mins overstay is more difficult to chase and cancelled it? I hope so 🤗

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