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    • I'm not sure on the best option here, I'm happy to go with Tomlin, however I can afford to pay this one in full if needed and wonder whether I should be trying to get a reduced amount, perhaps in the court hallway before going in? that would require submitting a WS of some sort. What I 'like' (strong word) about TO in this instance, is that it allows me to keep my savings to hand for further accounts needing attention in the near future and I would hope gives me some control over the pcm amount.. I've read a number of TO threads now (fell to sleep at the keyboard last night ) but have a few questions please: - Do I specify the payment arrangement in a TO or the claimant? I'm thinking 20% lump upfront plus 96 months of circa 60 squid. - Who decides repayment amounts if CCJ is granted? if the judge, then do I submit I&E at any point? Given the amount of total debt across all my claims, I need to ensure anything I commit to is future proofed. I wouldn't want all my disposable income sent to this one debt, only to have another one in a month or two.
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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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Hi all

 

am just starting the process of trying to claim these charges back.

My charges are all Returned Direct Debit/ Standing order charges as i don't have an overdraft or cheque book.

This amounts to £1292.50 plus 0.27p in interest charges !

I sent of the request 3rd October, recieved my statements in the neat binder :rolleyes: 10th Oct(Today). So will be posting of the Prelim letter tomorow morning.

 

Will keep you informed.

 

Stiki :grin:

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I recieved what i think is a standard reply saying that they wont refund my charges as i agreed to them when i signed the application forms blah blah.

 

Also they are aware there has been a lot of speculation about fees and charges in the media and that the office of fair trading has issued a directive regarding CREDIT CARDS.

 

Can someone tell me if this is pretty standard and do i just ignore it and go ahead and send them the LBA ??

 

Cheers

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Standard, ignore, send LBA :)

Please note that I am not a legal expert and all advice given is without prejudice and is purely my opinion only.

 

** Nationwide - £1821.15-PAID IN FULL - Aug 06 **

** Halifax Mortgage -£390 - PAID IN FULL - Nov 06 **

Lloyds TSB - MCOL issued 09/03/07 - £2953 + costs - ON HOLD....

 

 

 

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Hey,

 

Sent of the LBA, have recieved another letter explaining "the rationale behind our charges policy ".

 

Basically still saying they are unable to refund my charges.

 

Just wanted to confirm where i go next,

 

Do i wait the 14 calendar days then just go ahead with the money claim or should i write to them again ??

 

Bit baffled by this part :confused:

just started reading up on the moneyclaim part can anyone give me any help with regards to the interest. I have already done the spreadsheet with the 8%, is this all i claim when i go ahead ??

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Hey guys,

 

Got my " Notice of issue " from the court today. Cant believe how quick it was ( hope nationwide are as quick in paying up !).

 

Anyway they have till 17 th December to reply.

 

Cum on guys pay up :p

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Just realised i didnt attach a schedule of charges with my MCOL. Ive sent the schedule to nationwide in the past though, will this make a difference because i havnt sent it to the court ??

 

My claim was acknowledged by nationwide yesterday !

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Realised I done the same as that, so I sent one to the court and one to Nationwide, with a nice covering letter telling them that I had lodged a claim with the small claims court. :D

 

Claim was issued yesterday............ start the countdown now!!!

Nationwide: Sent prelim letter 31/10/06

Letter saying not paying 8/11/06

LBA sent 14/11/06

MCOL issued 29/11/06

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Yeah because you were only a day after me, so shoudnt think you'll have to wait to long.

 

Am just a bit puzzled as to why they put that much in, theres been no more since. I think ive checked my balance about 10 toimes today ! :p Just incase !

The shops are calling me :D

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I've checked my bank god knows how many times today. I think that they put the costs and interest in first and then the actual charges a day or so later.

 

I wish they would hurry up, I need to go Christmas shopping ;)

 

Well of to check the bank again now...

Nationwide: Sent prelim letter 31/10/06

Letter saying not paying 8/11/06

LBA sent 14/11/06

MCOL issued 29/11/06

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Can anyone give me any advice about closing your account after paying out.

 

I got my refund of charges at begining of dec, and so i waited for the standard closure letter. I opened another account in preperation but as i never received the letter i never changed the direct debits.

 

Anyway after coming home from holiday on the 12th jan i opened a letter that said they had closed my account down on 2nd January after giving me 30 days notice on 4th December, and sent me a cheque for the money that was still in there.

 

I definitely NEVER received any notice to close the account, i was looking out for this letter every morning. In light of this all my direct debits and standing orders since the 2nd have been returned and i am now getting charges of these people. Either £20 or £30 per one.

 

So basically all i want to know is can the banks close your account without giving you 30 days notice ? And if not where can i go from here.

Thanks in advance

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I guess the moral here is Don't trust em!! Always change to another bank before you start procedings and put all your regular payments over to it.

 

As a point of interest Smile took away my overdraft facility so I had to make sure that account was in credit before they closed the overdraft. So far the account still works..

Smile :) bank prelim sent 25 oct £180

Smile :) bank LBA sent 8th Nov

Smile bank Received £180 25th Nov :) :)

 

 

 

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