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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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On the matter of the default notice that was served on me yesterday also!

 

I have read the s10 data protection act notice and fully intend to write to Abbey with this. However, I am concerned that the amount that is owed to the Abbey is more than the charges applied, my problem is I am unsure as to how much. It was only when i requested my charges be refunded that Abbey removed my overdraft facility which has led to them now defaulting my account. I have repeatedly made them offers to repay the money and have in fact been paying them £150 per month, but they have never put anything in writing - just demanded that the whole amount be paid off.

 

Obviously once they removed the overdraft I was incurring high interest charges, I have also incurred more charges since submitting my original claim.

 

Should I start a new claim for the further charges that have been applied to my account since then, despite the fact that my original claim is still proceeding.

 

I feel I have nothing to lose by submitting the letter under the s10 argument but do not want to jeopardise any continuing litigation.

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Waiting to see if Abbey file their statement as ordered to by 4.00pm today. I am going to ring the court tomorrow to see. (I may wait till the day after) I am sure Abbey will.

 

However, they have to file their forensic accountants report on the 'setting of and calculation of charges' by the 28th November. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT ONE!

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Our final day is on 10th November!!!!!! Getting a wee bit worried! Had Goodwill payment of 535 and letter offering £570!!! Where do they get that from. A bank that can't even count. Sent letter off stating the money was already in our account before their offer was even made, we accepted it as part payment only and would be continuing with claim. Also sent email stating they had offered £570 but only put £535 into account and could they explain this, letter to Abbey also sent querying this. Letter not acknowledged but we received letter re email stating I had not signed it so could not be actioned on! DUH!! however, a copy of my email was sent for signing which we did and sent off last week.

Letter sent to Abbey also stating their last date would be 10th before we would start court claim and did they actually want to go as far as this. Would they be prepared to settle rather than go to court. Has not been acknowledged.

Now we will have to find out about how we proceed with taking them to court.

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Lynn - maybe they charged you for sending you a letter!

 

I am sick of Abbey and their impersonal computer generated letters. I have just about the sixteenth letter saying that I have not been in touch with regard to paying off my overdraft. Well I have!!! About sixteen times!

 

They really are stupid!

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Well I rang the court today and they said they have no record of a response from Abbey as ordered byt the Court. They also said that the file may not have been updated. When I asked what should i do if they have not responded, she said I could request that the defence be struck out following their failure to comply with an order of the court.

 

How long do I wait before assuming that the file is updated. I am quite willing to send my letter to the court tomorrow but I am unsure what to put and how to word it.

 

Help would be appreciated with the wording of the letter.

 

Thanks

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Sorry, forgot to say that what I HAVE received is a letter telling both me and the court that DLA Piper no longer acts for them, and they are representing themselves. I am sure that this is going to be a tactic. Maybe they are going to say that due to the change over this is why they delayed submitting the response in a timely manner. What do you experts think?

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Sorry, forgot to say that what I HAVE received is a letter telling both me and the court that DLA Piper no longer acts for them, and they are representing themselves. I am sure that this is going to be a tactic. Maybe they are going to say that due to the change over this is why they delayed submitting the response in a timely manner. What do you experts think?

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Sammy

 

couple of points come to mind, since the defence was entered by DLA piper have youbeen sending them anything, copies of AQ, anything you have sent to the courts?

 

If you have then I would write to the courts and complain it is the defendants responsibility to monitor and submit the relevant papers and submissions to the court when they are due.

 

Inform them of the correspondence you have had with DLA piper and confirm that it is the defendants responsibility to effect and proper and efficient handover from DLA piper to their new defence team.

 

I would ask that the court strike out the defence if you want some ideas as to what you could write see my thread Glenn vs Abbey i sent a motion to strike their defence out with my AQ questionnaire.

 

there are some words in there about their previous behavior too.

 

You might alos like to include someof the new stuff from the financial ombudsman and the competion commissioners report, i would.

 

I have been advised to wait five days after the AQ submission deadline to check if abbey entered theirs if they don't ill complain to the court and ask again for their defence to be struck out on the basis of the abuse of process.

 

HTH

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

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Hi Glenn

 

have just rung the court again and Abbey have not filed the defence as ordered by the judge. So I have to complete an N244 (which i have downloaded from the library) and send with more money! £35.

 

I am going to look at your thread later for the wording for my intention to apply for an order to strike out the defence (is that right?) but I am a little unsure as to Part B which asks me whether I wish to rely on

 

the attached (witness/statement)(affidavit)

My statement of case

evidence in part C in support of my application.

 

Actually as I have just written this I think the answer is evidence in Part C in support of my application, and this is where I should put the information you wrote about with regard to changing solicitors etc etc. What do you think??

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Sammy I dont know that form but what you say sounds right, then you can attach a letter asking thr honourable court to strike out the defence at thier own discretion.

 

If you want to see what i wrote check out my thread Glenn vs Abbey which includes a request to strike abbeys defence out.

 

If you want to get some feedback on anything you write you can post it on here or send it to somoene to look at.

 

HTH

 

glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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I was under the impression that the N244 form was to amend a claim.

To file for judgment you simply tear off the slip attached to the notice of issue. This form requests you to fill in the charges and interest up to date of filing for judgment. No cost. am I wrong? this is what I have done.

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Hi Polly

 

I am a bit unsure now. It was the clerk at the court office who told me I needed to fill in the N224, and I have to admit I was a bit gutted at having to fork out ANOTHER £35. I will do some research today and try to dig a bit deeper.

 

What she actually said was that 'I should apply for the defence to be struck out due to non-compliance of an order'.

 

Does anyone else out there have any experience.

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This is my first draft Application Notice to have Abbeys defence struck out

 

Can I have comments please, I am not sure how to end it either. (sorry its so long)

 

1. How do you wish to have your application dealt with – without a hearing (Go to question 5 & 6)

 

5. Level of judge – Left Blank

6. Parties to be served – Abbey Bank PLC

 

Part A

 

I (my name) on behalf of the claimant intend to apply for an order that the court strikes out the defence of Abbey National Plc because Abbey National Plc have failed to comply with an order to file and serve a witness of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006, as directed on the 10th October 2006.

 

Part B

 

I wish to rely on evidence in Part C in support of my application

 

 

Part C

 

At a hearing on the 10th October 2006 at Redditch County Court, the following was ordered.

 

1. The matter be allocated to the Small Claims Track.

 

2. The Claimant do file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 24October 2006.

 

3. The Defendant do file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006.

 

4. Leave to the Defendant to instruct a forensic accountant to prepare a report upon the setting and calculation of charges applied to the Claimant's current account with the Defendant, such report to be provided by 4.00pm on 28 November 2006.

 

5. Any questions to the expert shall be put in writing by 4.00pm on 12 December 2006 with replies to be provided by 4.00pm on 9 January 2007.

 

6. The parties do confer and agree the documents to be included in a trial bundle, a common bundle to be lodged with the Court 14 days before the hearing by the Defendant's solicitors, to include the skeleton arguments of the parties' submissions.

 

7. The matter to be listed for hearing on the first open date after 13 February 2007(date to be advised) with a time estimate of 3 hours.

 

The Claimant filed and served a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 24 October 2006.

 

The Defendant has failed to file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006.

The defendant has repeatedly acknowledged claims, entered a similar defence as they entered in this claim, filed allocation questionnaires, attended case management and allocation hearings, and generally abused legal process to its advantage.

However, the defendant has failed to attend court to defend a single claim to my knowledge and has repeatedly settled claims on the ‘steps’ of the court.

The Defendant has at its disposal the absolute defence required to defend this claim in its entirety and yet at no time has it ever offered to prove what its costs are in respect of breaches of contract which it claims allows it to levy charges of the magnitude it has done in the claimant and other customer cases.

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This is my first draft Application Notice to have Abbeys defence struck out

 

Can I have comments please, I am not sure how to end it either. (sorry its so long)

 

1. How do you wish to have your application dealt with – without a hearing (Go to question 5 & 6)

 

5. Level of judge – Left Blank

6. Parties to be served – Abbey Bank PLC

 

Part A

 

I (my name) Are you acting for someone else? If not then I would begin The Claimant intends....on behalf of the claimant intend to apply for an order that the court strikes out the defence of Abbey National Plc.

 

The Claimant understands that the Defendant has failed to comply with an order to file and serve a witness of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006, as directed by this Honourable Court on the 10th October 2006.

 

Part B

 

I wish to rely on evidence in Part C in support of my application

 

 

Part C

 

At a hearing on the 10th October 2006 at Redditch County Court, the following was ordered.

 

1. The matter be allocated to the Small Claims Track.

 

2. The Claimant do file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 24October 2006.

 

3. The Defendant do file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006.

 

4. Leave to the Defendant to instruct a forensic accountant to prepare a report upon the setting and calculation of charges applied to the Claimant's current account with the Defendant, such report to be provided by 4.00pm on 28 November 2006.

 

5. Any questions to the expert shall be put in writing by 4.00pm on 12 December 2006 with replies to be provided by 4.00pm on 9 January 2007.

 

6. The parties do confer and agree the documents to be included in a trial bundle, a common bundle to be lodged with the Court 14 days before the hearing by the Defendant's solicitors, to include the skeleton arguments of the parties' submissions.

 

7. The matter to be listed for hearing on the first open date after 13 February 2007(date to be advised) with a time estimate of 3 hours.

 

The Claimant filed and served a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 24 October 2006.

 

The Claimant understands that the Defendant has failed to file and serve a witness statement of fact by 4.00pm on 7 November 2006. (It may be a mistake on the Courts part and they may have filed, so you want to allow for that rather than stating as fact somethig which you cannot ascertain yourself).

 

The defendant has repeatedly acknowledged claims, entered a similar defence as they entered in this claim, filed allocation questionnaires, attended case management and allocation hearings, and generally abused legal process to its advantage.

 

However, the defendant has failed to attend court to defend a single claim to my knowledge and has repeatedly settled claims on the ‘steps’ of the court.

 

The Defendant has at its disposal the absolute defence required to defend this claim in its entirety and yet at no time has it ever offered to prove what its costs are in respect of breaches of contract which it claims allows it to levy charges of the magnitude it has done in the claimant and other customer cases.

 

I would also like to draw to the Courts attention that any delays caused by failure to follow due process by the Defendant with subsequent appeals for stays or additional time to comply, put the Defendant, a large multinational conglomerate, at an advantage over the CLaimant, a Lititgant in person. I therefore humlby request that the case is allowed to proceed withou any undue delays caused the Defendants failure to submit documents into Court in accordance with the Courts orders.

 

How about something like 'In the event that the Court alllows the defence to stand that the Court takes any actions it deems appropriate.'

 

I dont see much wrong with it Sammy, as you know im no expert, just learning on the hoof like most of us.

 

I think the difference between my circumstances and yours is that the COurt hasnt made an order, well I supose it has in the sense that it allows a timeframe for filing the AQ but otherwise its a standard ommission on the part of the Abbey.

 

Whereas in your case they have failed to observe a specific order.

 

JMHO

 

Glenn

 

PS you might need to check the spelling, this PC doesnt have ispell installed on it.

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

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Good luck Haydn - be prepared for a hard battle, Abbey are proving to be a tough nut to crack.

 

Glenn, thanks for your input, you are quite right the way you have worded it makes more sense now. I was struggling a little bit. I also see why I have to fill the form in now too.

 

Off home shortly to fill in more paperwork!!!!! Have a good evening all

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Well, well. Got home today to a very inconspicuous letter from Abbey who have decided to SETTLE IN FULL. They have offered me all my charges back, the interest that I stated on my claim form, the court costs and the charge for the allocation questionaire. What a result!!!!

 

So to everyone out there, keep going, keep going, keep going. My only worry now is to hold out for the accrued interest since filing my claim in June (or is that being greedy!!!!) LOL!

 

PS Can a moderator, change my title please!!!!

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Sammy,

Well Done :D

 

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Well done!

Abbey - Claim 1

full hearing 22 Feb 07 - Settled in full £710 :D

Abbey (Claim 2)

full hearing 22 Feb 07- Settled in full £4000 :D

Abbey (Claim 3)

Court date 27 June -

Capital One (claim 1)

£467 Settled in full 20 Sep :D

Capital One (claim 2)

£72 refunded 19 Aug :-D

Associates (Citicards)

claim 8 Aug/judgment by default 30 Aug/set aside hearing 9 Oct/Stay denied, ordered by Judge to reveal breakdown of charges andfull hearing 24 May/FULL DISCLOSURE ORDERED BY 8 MARCH/JUDGE TO STRIKE OUT DEFENCE AS NON-COMPLIANCE/DEFENCE STRUCK OUT PAYMENT IN FULL REQUIRED IN 14 DAYS

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