please help civil recover what should i do ? ashamed and stupid

[andydd]

Well..4 of them appear to be 'shoplifting' cases, others are rather varied including one serious one involving £10,000 for a fake empolyee.

 

As to the 4 cases, the reference numbers they use like 001 are not standard court case numbers so its impossible to check, County Court cases are not published anywhere (as far as Im aware) unlike other courts/tribunals, etc

 

Many of those liosted are judgements in default, its not clear but it may be the case that som,e others are too., this doesnt prove anything, for example, I could issue a claim against Mr X, saying he owes me £100 for moondust..complete rubbish but should he fail to answer court correspondence I'd still win. It also begs the question if RLP are so confident why dont they start legal action in EVERY case, or do they pick and choose people they think are vunerable and less likely to turn up ?

 

Also there may well of been plenty of cases were RLP were unsuccessful, we simple do not know, and RLP are hardly transparent...RLP admit themselves that they only publish a 'selection'.

 

The case involving CAB is somewhat worrying and I'd be surprised if they genuinelly told someone to ignore court correspondence, RLP love to waffle on about Pre Action protocols but they spout crap..there is no real obligation to respond to anything in the pre-litigation period (a simple denial is all that is needed and apparently that is what was sent), I dont believe there is any need to get involved in heavy paperwork/correspondence at that stage.

 

In '003' cases I note a dig at a 'consumer' site

 

Andy

[nes1984]

Yeah, it's a bit concerning. What I make of the CAB one is that the reason it's come back to them was because the company were trying to negotiate settlement before court proceedings and this was what was being ignored. So then obviously when court proceedings were issued they wouldn't go back to the original settlement offer. So I don't think they ignored the court letters.

 

Basically the thing that worries me is, yes, there is no harm in ignoring the letters from the comapny, but what if I actually get hit with a court letter and it's too late to settle.

 

Based on reading in these forums it prob won't be as much as a 'fine' monetary wise, but I don't want to go to court etc, because I prob won't win as I did f**k up (excuse my french!) so will just be time consuming

 

I'm confused now.

[dx100uk]

well dont be.

 

if there was more to 'pay' or anything 'to pay'

 

it would be the judicial system and the police from the off that does it

not some tinpot speculative invoice company.

 

its exactly the same as the private parking ticket

 

those that go to court

are either stoogies or relatives

or

are uncontested cases

 

forget them

 

dx

[nes1984]

but the police weren't involved and i'd like to keep it that way.

 

Surely the police and criminal court only cover the police costs and direct criminal damage?

 

therefore why would they have anything to do with the costs this store are seeking? Im a novice at this and get all my info online so maybe im wrong.

[dx100uk]

RLP are in no way ANYTHING to do with any judicial system nor ANY legal statute at all

 

you are under NO legal obl to communicate with them

in any way shape or form.

NO rlp has ever latterly involved the police or the judicary system.

 

if they do anything at all it will be a civil action nothing criminal.

 

you need to rad the cab reports on the homepage of this forum.

 

dx

[andydd]

Yeah, it's a bit concerning. What I make of the CAB one is that the reason it's come back to them was because the company were trying to negotiate settlement before court proceedings and this was what was being ignored. So then obviously when court proceedings were issued they wouldn't go back to the original settlement offer. So I don't think they ignored the court letters.

 

Basically the thing that worries me is, yes, there is no harm in ignoring the letters from the comapny, but what if I actually get hit with a court letter and it's too late to settle.

 

Based on reading in these forums it prob won't be as much as a 'fine' monetary wise, but I don't want to go to court etc, because I prob won't win as I did f**k up (excuse my french!) so will just be time consuming

 

I'm confused now.

 

This is quite simple..you can ignore correspondence from RLP but it would be foolish to ignore anything from the court for the simple fact that if you dont reply..then they WILL WIN by default.

 

The obligation to settle hasnt passed and in fact the court would still expect you to try..you can apply for mediation, make offers (perhaps without prejudice), or even Part 36 Offers (RLP's fave QC even mentions this, but perhaps in the wrong context as Part36 doesnt apply to small claims, which the majority are, even if some has strangely ended up on the fast track).

 

RLP's whole site whislt maybe not printing anything legally incorrect is still rather misleading especially in the way they pick and choose what to print.

 

As pointed out this has nothing to do with the Police, although RLP like to make lots of mention of them and try to give RLP some sort of peusdo-legal footing.

 

The various arguments/downloads they link to appear to be a slanging match back and forth between CAB/RLP and QC....I'd suggest none of them are 100% accurate.

 

Andy

[nes1984]

I get what you guys are saying about not being linked to criminal court, but I don't want to go to ANY court, when reading these forums, i get the impression that what they are claiming for etc is rubbish and has no legal grounds, however with some now going to court, surely this means it's not all rubbish and that i may be better off paying now and saving myself the stress?

[dx100uk]

none are going to court

 

where did you get that from?

 

the cases have been over a good few years

 

in that time

 

1000's have totally ignored them.

 

stop panicing and get on with your life

 

dx

[andydd]

I get what you guys are saying about not being linked to criminal court, but I don't want to go to ANY court, when reading these forums, i get the impression that what they are claiming for etc is rubbish and has no legal grounds, however with some now going to court, surely this means it's not all rubbish and that i may be better off paying now and saving myself the stress?

 

Firstly..RLP list about 3 or 4 cases that have supposedly gone to court, they dont say whether they are default judgements and there is no way that you can verify these cases.

 

RLP dont admit how many cases they have lost..there may be lots !. It is well known that they have sent out many thousands if not tens of thousands of 'demands' with no intention of going anywhere near a court room.

 

Also I'd add a civil court (very likely a small claim) is nothing to be scared of, ive started and been defendant in various cases and have come away succesful, dont let people bully you, thats no way to conduct your life !

 

Why would you be better off if you pay now ?. RLP will be better off with YOUR money, it wont go to court..even in the very unlikely evenmt it did, you can still defend your position..the outcome is far from certain....The cases they put on their site are only there to intimidate others..dont let them.

 

Andy

[nes1984]

I was saying better off as I was in the wrong and then i wouldnt have to worry wether or not they would take me to court. I know you said they won't, but that sounds more like you don't expect them too, rather than they have no case. So i'm buggered if im the unlucky one that goes to court!

[andydd]

I was saying better off as I was in the wrong and then i wouldnt have to worry wether or not they would take me to court. I know you said they won't, but that sounds more like you don't expect them too, rather than they have no case. So i'm buggered if im the unlucky one that goes to court!

 

Not really, people get worried with the mention of court and somehow link it to criminality, county courts are for civil claims, the small claims ttrack for claims under £5000, soon to be £10,000 is an informal meeting, normally in a judges room and nothing to be afraid of.

 

But its all upto you, youve been given lots of advice here, download both the CAB reports, both the RLP replies and the QC's comments and have a read through all the points of view and decide for yourself.

 

Andy

[nes1984]

Thats fair enough. I was just getting conflicted by the info as some on here suggest there is no legal ground for these claims and but others say there is. If there is a legal ground for it (which is the direction i'm leaning) then i'll take it more seriously and ensure if I contact anyone it's done properly.

 

End of the day, it may not be a stressful court scenario, but it's still a position I put myself in and don't want to have to go through the scenario again, just put it behind me.

[Raydeville]

RLP are in no way ANYTHING to do with any judicial system nor ANY legal statute at all

 

you are under NO legal obl to communicate with them

in any way shape or form.

NO rlp has ever latterly involved the police or the judicary system.

 

if they do anything at all it will be a civil action nothing criminal.

 

you need to rad the cab reports on the homepage of this forum.

 

dx

 

They banned b me from B n Q what will happen If I go in to a different branch I don't realy want to go in but my dad wants me to get something for him (and pay for it)

[honeybee13]

They banned b me from B n Q what will happen If I go in to a different branch I don't realy want to go in but my dad wants me to get something for him (and pay for it)

 

Do you think they'll recognise you?

 

My best, HB

[dx100uk]

none have face recog software so dont worry at all

 

all they can do is ask you to leave anyhow

 

again, THERE IS NO LAW INVOLVED

 

dx

[andydd]

Do you think they'll recognise you?

 

My best, HB

 

Wear fake beard, big nose and dark glasses..works everytime

[depressed2011]

hello just been to rlp website and read thru the cases, the case no 001 and 002 mentions shop lifting and also mentions about repeat offenders, the amount rlp claims to be covered from teh claimant in case 0002 seems to be very high, any one has any comment on that case at all

[dx100uk]

no its just spin to fleece you.

 

dx

[andydd]

hello just been to rlp website and read thru the cases, the case no 001 and 002 mentions shop lifting and also mentions about repeat offenders, the amount rlp claims to be covered from teh claimant in case 0002 seems to be very high, any one has any comment on that case at all

 

Well..we have no facts in any of the cases, they are impossible to verify, the ref numbers used are not actual court numbers so who knows !..They might all be 100% fabricated,

[Anus Horribilis]

hello just been to rlp website and read thru the cases, the case no 001 and 002 mentions shop lifting and also mentions about repeat offenders, the amount rlp claims to be covered from teh claimant in case 0002 seems to be very high, any one has any comment on that case at all

 

I just had a look. Surprisingly emotive and unprofessional style of descriptions, lots of attacks upon others, and with the key questions of liability glossed over. Interestingly they are unable to cite even one case of a defended RLP claim being upheld in court.

 

The blustering tone reminds me of those supposed internet piracy solicitors who were always yelling the odds about how strong their case was, right up until it collapsed under them.

[anthony1984]

I am employed as a plain clothed store detective for a well known household named retail company. I catch shoplifters on a daily basis and in 99% of the cases civil recovery is issued.

I aint employed by b and q so quite frankly couldnt care about their losses but my advice is is pay. Most of you on here obviously dont know about civil recovery. It is a legal company that acts on behalf of retailers. In all my cases a civil recovery letter is given and copy signed by the detainee.

 

Proof of a reciept is enclosed with all my paperwork along with cctv footage so if the detainee does decide to question what happened its all backed up.

 

You could leave it and not pay but civil recovery do go through the courts and any costs that have occured for civil recovery to do that will be paid for by the detainee.

[dx100uk]

rubbish.

 

its not for any RLP to be judge and jury

 

if something is owed, then its fo the courts to decide that

 

not some tin pot RLP to issue 'speculative invoices.'

 

NEVER EVER pay RLP!!

 

 

dx

[honeybee13]

You could leave it and not pay but civil recovery do go through the courts and any costs that have occured for civil recovery to do that will be paid for by the detainee.

 

Hello there. Have you seen the result of the recent Oxford court case?

 

My best, HB

[ScarletPimpernel]

I am employed as a plain clothed store detective for a well known household named retail company. I catch shoplifters on a daily basis and in 99% of the cases civil recovery is issued.

I aint employed by b and q so quite frankly couldnt care about their losses but my advice is is pay. Most of you on here obviously dont know about civil recovery. It is a legal company that acts on behalf of retailers. In all my cases a civil recovery letter is given and copy signed by the detainee.

 

Proof of a reciept is enclosed with all my paperwork along with cctv footage so if the detainee does decide to question what happened its all backed up.

 

You could leave it and not pay but civil recovery do go through the courts and any costs that have occured for civil recovery to do that will be paid for by the detainee.

 

I have some simple questions for you:

 

 

1. When you say you catch shoplifters, can you confirm that the police are called in every case, and that these people are all charged and convicted in a criminal court? Or do you mean that you detain people you suspect of shoplifting?

 

2. Can you produce substantive evidence to back up your claims that 'civil recovery' do go to court - such as case numbers? If you don't have the case numbers, just tell us in how many cases you have appeared as a witness for the claimant, and in how many of those cases the claimant was successful.

 

3. Since you stopped being a parking attendant, what specialist training have you undertaken with regard to the legal issues surrounding civil recovery, in general and specifically in the issues around vulnerable people, and liability?

[andydd]

I am employed as a plain clothed store detective for a well known household named retail company. I catch shoplifters on a daily basis and in 99% of the cases civil recovery is issued.

I aint employed by b and q so quite frankly couldnt care about their losses but my advice is is pay. Most of you on here obviously dont know about civil recovery. It is a legal company that acts on behalf of retailers. In all my cases a civil recovery letter is given and copy signed by the detainee.

 

Proof of a reciept is enclosed with all my paperwork along with cctv footage so if the detainee does decide to question what happened its all backed up.

 

You could leave it and not pay but civil recovery do go through the courts and any costs that have occured for civil recovery to do that will be paid for by the detainee.

 

Firstly define shoplifters, people who clearly are out to steal or an OAP who mistakenly doesnt pay for an item ?

 

CAG is well aware of civil recovery (in fact we appear to know rather more than you), there have been many thousands of these invoices issued but only a handful of court cases (some are published on RLP's site, but there is no way of checking their authenticity and some are very dubious), there is only one case that I/We/CAB are aware of and that is the aforementioned Oxford case, if you are unaware of it, I suggest finding out more before posting here, in that case, the claim for damages by RLP/ The store was firmly thrown out.

 

Even if succesful in court, it would be a small claim and therefore costs would be very limited, simply put it costs RLP/The Store far more to pursue court action then they could ever recover.

 

Andy