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actually dx shall I add in the no PAPLOC into the defense as well since no LBC was ever sent only a claim form? -
Ok I've done my defense and printed it out ready to post first thing tmrw to the court, see attached pdf for my generic defense copied from sticky obviously with my reg no left in on the defense form. This defense is relevant in my case since I was there 90 seconds so couldn't possibly have entered into a contract right? Regards Screenshot 2024-04-29 202206-merged.pdf
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By LouLouDev79 · Posted
Apologies for the short responses today, I have been in work all day so have had to duck out of meetings and respond to you on my mobile. I am feeling extremely overwhelmed by all of this, it has been hanging over me for over 3 years now since I first discovered the CCJ on my file. I am a single mum of two little ones so really struggling to find my way through this. I paid a solicitor to help me set the CCJ aside and it used up every penny of my savings to so. I can't afford to pay for anymore legal help but feel completely out of my depth. My witness statement needs to be with the court and claimant by Wednesday and I am terrified of getting it wrong and losing after everything they have put me through. I really appreciate all of your posts, and would be so so thankful if you could help me finalise my witness statement to ensure I have got all of my points across and that I have not included anything that could go against me. Thank you -
By lookinforinfo · Posted
I am sorry about getting your status mixed up. I have noticed one thing. On their claim they are only pursuing you as the keeper-I think it is on their Point C that the driver did not pay , so the keeper is liable. So on your No keeper Liability section You may need to add 8a after 8. 8a . It is trite Law that the driver and the keeper cannot be regarded as the same person and the claimant has failed to offer any proof who was driving. BY pursuing the keeper . when the PCN does not comply with PoFA must mean that their claim fails. -
By Whyisitthis · Posted
Thanks for being so kind (I mean they took the tape off me obviously and wouldn’t let me pay for it) but do you think they might tell this company to leave me alone? Or just ignore me. I sent it tracked. I cannot get a criminal record and of course don’t see why I should. It was an error. Thanks for actually taking time out to reply to me. So I’m expecting a few horrid letters? One which will say letter before something but as long as it doesn’t say letter before action I’m ok? if B&Q take me to court will I be able to pay this fine before anything bad would happen. It’s all a shame as it means I’ll have to make excuses now if it’s every suggested I go into B&Q but I guess that’s the situation I’ve found myself in. Many thanks
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