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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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It amazes me reading the many stories in this forum about cars being clamped, towed and fines being dished out within days of running out of tax or re-newing SORN late. Well i've been reporting 2 cars for over 2 weeks now which are not only parked but also being used on a dialy basis without displaying current tax discs. The one is displaying a disc which expired Aug 09 and the other is not displaying a disc at all.

 

Guess what; when I checked online with the DVLA, one car is showing as currently SORN'd and the other un-licenced since Aug 09! I also checked on the MIB web site and... yes, you guessd it, both are showing as having no insurance!

 

Dispite me reporting these 2 cars (parked within yards of each other in the same street) over the last 2 weeks nothing has been done so far.

 

Any thoughts fellow legitimate, fully payed up members of the driving club?

 

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Mmm, may try that but the problem is the said cars tend to move around during the day so they obviously aren't abandoned... and I got a fairly good idea what kind of response I would get from our LA!

 

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Contacted the LA today and just as I expected they told me that as the cars are in use, they are not abandoned and all they can do is pass the info on to the DVLA (which I have already done myself over 2 weeks ago). I wonder what would happpen if either of therse cars are involved in a RTA and someone is injured before anything is done dispite the police being aware of this? Bit different to what happens on 'Road Wars'!

 

I will keep you posted!

 

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Good news; the old bill rang to tell me one of the cars was seized on Friday! One down, one to go!

 

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You need a sign in your window now Sam:

 

I'm a PC (Political Corrector)

and getting rid of untaxed cars was my idea.

 

You'll be able to make a nice collection of bricks. :)

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You need a sign in your window now Sam:

 

I'm a PC (Political Corrector)

and getting rid of untaxed cars was my idea.

 

You'll be able to make a nice collection of bricks. :)

 

Don't care Conniff. I pay all my insurance, tax ect ect and keep fully legal. These parasites may run up the back of me one day and maybe injure my kids. Beleive me, they would wish they had insurance if they did... personal health insurance! :-x

 

Thing si, if they aren't taxed it follows that their likely to be uninsured and in this case they arn't. You should be pleased to know that the one that was seized is the one which was SORNd!

 

Please form an ordely q for the congratulations! :lol:

 

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I actually agree - I am fed up of the number of unregistered, uninsured cars (driven by people without driving licences) that pick up kids from my kids schools every day.

 

The local police just sit on the motorway to catch people, so as long as the people stay off that they know they are safe. When one was reported, the police knocked on the door of the owner to ask whether it was their car, and when that was denied they "could not do anything".

 

Mind you - one person was caught a few years ago. Untaxed, uninsured, no driving licence, no MOT. Total fine £50, and points on their licence... if they ever apply for it. They drove home from the court.

 

 

So.. Sailor Sam - I would love you to come round for a cuppa :) I might just give you directions that involve the scenic route, so bring your phone!

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I actually agree - I am fed up of the number of unregistered, uninsured cars (driven by people without driving licences) that pick up kids from my kids schools every day.

 

The local police just sit on the motorway to catch people, so as long as the people stay off that they know they are safe. When one was reported, the police knocked on the door of the owner to ask whether it was their car, and when that was denied they "could not do anything".

 

Mind you - one person was caught a few years ago. Untaxed, uninsured, no driving licence, no MOT. Total fine £50, and points on their licence... if they ever apply for it. They drove home from the court.

 

 

So.. Sailor Sam - I would love you to come round for a cuppa :) I might just give you directions that involve the scenic route, so bring your phone!

 

Yeah, sometimes it makes you think; 'Why bother paying tax/insurance, if these are the penalties that are dished out?' Your example clearly shows that the 'offender' got a far better deal being an illegal driver than a legal one. What message does that send out?

 

By the way; Coffee, black with 2 sugars and shaken, not stirred!

 

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Sailor Sam, you are not the guardian of fairness that you think you are. This whole area is one that hits the less well off. Like you, I deplore driving without insurance, but I have been hit for no tax three times recently, despite my best efforts. Without wanting to go into long ancdote, I have to park on the street because I have no garage or driveway. having a car which I knew I was not going to use for some time, I sorned it and removed it to some private land, the owner of which suddenly wanted me to remove it. I insured it and drove it to its MOT. Although I had made sure it was roadworthy, it failed on emissions, which like most motorists I am not equipped to test myself. Before I could get that fixed I was clamped, literally after one day illegally on the road. The money I had to pay to retrive it was the money I had earmarked for tax and MOT, and 24 hours after getting it back from the pound I was clapmed again.

So this is a minefield, sailor, and before reporting people or sounding off you need to consider that people like me who do everythng they can to abide by the law but still manage to get clobbered by it.

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Sailor Sam, you are not the guardian of fairness that you think you are. This whole area is one that hits the less well off. Like you, I deplore driving without insurance, but I have been hit for no tax three times recently, despite my best efforts. Without wanting to go into long ancdote, I have to park on the street because I have no garage or driveway. having a car which I knew I was not going to use for some time, I sorned it and removed it to some private land, the owner of which suddenly wanted me to remove it. I insured it and drove it to its MOT. Although I had made sure it was roadworthy, it failed on emissions, which like most motorists I am not equipped to test myself. Before I could get that fixed I was clamped, literally after one day illegally on the road. The money I had to pay to retrive it was the money I had earmarked for tax and MOT, and 24 hours after getting it back from the pound I was clapmed again.

So this is a minefield, sailor, and before reporting people or sounding off you need to consider that people like me who do everythng they can to abide by the law but still manage to get clobbered by it.

 

Please read my original post again. You will see that the said cars have been driving around for a couple of weeks. One car was showing an expired tax of Aug 09 and the other no tax disc at all but SORNd. Both vehicles were un-insured end of.

 

While I understand your plight, the whole idea of this thread was to demonstrate that there are those who seem to escape the authorities attention for many months when people, like yourself, get nabbed at the drop of a hat. From what you have said, you were clearly unlucky but did you not consider contacting the DVLA before hand and explain your plight and intentions before leaving the car on the public road while SORNd? The rules are pretty clear cut as far as I can see and there are very few (if any) exceptions. While i do not doubt your story, I would suggest that your circumstances are not typical of 'normal' breaches of the SORN rules so it is highly unlikely I would end up reporting 'people like you'. But in any event, I will continue to check on line any vehicle I see which is either not displaying a current tax disc or one that is signiffitantly out of date and if they are indeed untaxed, I will report them. I will also (more importantly) check their insurance status via the MIB and if uninsured, report them to the old bill also.

 

I also have fallen on hard times recently, but have maintianed my insurance policy (fully comp) and re-newed my tax on time (by saving PO stamps each week to spread the cost) and have sometimes struggled to do so. Basically, if you want the convenience of owning a car these days, then you have to be prepared to pay for it like everyone else.

 

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I will also (more importantly) check their insurance status via the MIB and if uninsured, report them to the old bill also.

 

Whlst I applaud your diligence on this, you do realise you are misusing the MID database if you are obtaining free checks of vehicles that you do not own.

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Whlst I applaud your diligence on this, you do realise you are misusing the MID database if you are obtaining free checks of vehicles that you do not own.

 

Yes, but i'm not. :cool:

 

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Further update; The second car (the one SORNd) was spotted again last night so I gave the Police a reminder. It has been SORNd since Jan 2010 and is still being driven around on a daily basis. Surely you would of thought it has passed an ANPR camera within that time?

 

I'll keep you posted.

 

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Sailor Sam, you are not the guardian of fairness that you think you are. This whole area is one that hits the less well off. Like you, I deplore driving without insurance, but I have been hit for no tax three times recently, despite my best efforts. Without wanting to go into long ancdote, I have to park on the street because I have no garage or driveway. having a car which I knew I was not going to use for some time, I sorned it and removed it to some private land, the owner of which suddenly wanted me to remove it. I insured it and drove it to its MOT. Although I had made sure it was roadworthy, it failed on emissions, which like most motorists I am not equipped to test myself. Before I could get that fixed I was clamped, literally after one day illegally on the road. The money I had to pay to retrive it was the money I had earmarked for tax and MOT, and 24 hours after getting it back from the pound I was clapmed again.

So this is a minefield, sailor, and before reporting people or sounding off you need to consider that people like me who do everythng they can to abide by the law but still manage to get clobbered by it.

 

To be fair SailorSam reported the cars for actually driving around, which is a world away from them being parked up and not in use.

 

If everybody did what SailorSam has done then we would have less uninsured/illegal cars on our roads and that to my way of a thinking is a good thing.

 

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Mmm, 4 days after reminding the old bill, the car (a red Vauxhall Corsa) still roams the streets! Seems to be parked up overnight in the same location. I'll give it till Monday then report it again! I have to say (as in my original post), strange that there are people comming on here with tales of; 'I parked my car for a few hours on the street in readyness for it's MOT, and within an hour it got clamped!' Or 'I moved my car off the drive while SORNd breifly, went back into the house, came back after 15 minutes and found my car clamped!'... when this car has been SORNd since the beginning of the year and is still getting away with it, even after its been reported about 3 times now!

 

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Further update; The second car (the one SORNd) was spotted again last night so I gave the Police a reminder. It has been SORNd since Jan 2010 and is still being driven around on a daily basis. Surely you would of thought it has passed an ANPR camera within that time?

 

I'll keep you posted.

 

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ANPR cameras are mainly used on the motorway, as that gives them the maximum number of cars per minute, or a dual carriageway. They don't bother with built up areas/ back streets, so people who stick to those are managing just fine - even when they park illegally and collect parking tickets. No idea how that works as my parking tickets always have my tax details on, so it is obviously checked!

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ANPR cameras are mainly used on the motorway, as that gives them the maximum number of cars per minute, or a dual carriageway. They don't bother with built up areas/ back streets, so people who stick to those are managing just fine - even when they park illegally and collect parking tickets. No idea how that works as my parking tickets always have my tax details on, so it is obviously checked!

 

Mmm, but don't traffic cars have ANPR cameras fitted? In any event, I'm trying to demonstrate that some people (the more determined law breakers) seem to be able to evade the DVLA (in respect of tax issues) and the police (in respect of insurance issues) for a signifitant amount of time despite being reported when others who say they have been caught in some cases in less than an hour of their car being placed on the road and the DVLA have swooped out of nowhere!

 

OK there were 2 cars which were parked in the same street (both un-insured) and one has been seized. But the other (SORNd) continues to get away with it. Why can't the police clamp it? well I did ask them and the reply was; 'we have to actually catch it being driven'. Does this mean that its OK for it to possibly be involved in an accident while the police know its being kept on the road while uninsured and SORNd? Surely the police have the power to remove the car from the road while it is parked up? How does this protect the inocent motorist (or pedestrian) from being hit by an un-insured driver?

 

As for issuing a parking ticket with the tax disc details on, in this case it would be tricky as it hasn't got a tax disc on display!

 

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I have never seen a traffic car off the motorway (or access roads to the motorway), they certainly don't bother us in the village. Maybe we are not typical, in that we have a motorway wending its merry way through a largely rural county?

 

In this county I suspect that if you live on the roads that lead from the police stations onto the motorway (or quiet, side streets that can be used to avoid the tail back and still get to the motorway) you would be picked up within 24 hours of having left your car there without tax. If you stay in a quiet, out of the way village, just using the car to shop, go to the post office and pick the kids up from the local school, then you probably have years before anyone bothers you.

 

Of course if you live in the same road as a traffic officer, then your chances are probably pretty poor as well :)

 

Maybe the reason for the discrepancy is that simple?

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Yes Mossy, I know but the 'Volvo' estate type cars have i'm reliably informed. It appears that this Corsa has managed to dodge the police for over 6 months now so it's doe 'well' to avoid the ones with ANPR fitted! You would also think that not displaying a tax disc would at least attract a ticket while its parked up in the street!

 

My main concerrn is what happens if its involved in a serious accident AFTER the police know its driving around without insurance? I cannot believe there is nothing they can do unless they actually see it being driven.

 

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Update; Said car passed me in the street yesterday so rang DVLA today and sure enough, its still showing as being SORNd. This morning (as usual), it was parked in the same spot in the street where the on-street parking is limited to 2 hours (between 8am and 6pm) so the car is never there between those times. I've told the police it appears to 'leave home' between 9 and 10am but yet it still evades them! There's me thinking that they would act as they do in 'Road Wars'!

 

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Down here in Essex, with programmes on like "Police interceptors" you get the impression that it would be impossible to drive around with no tax.... yet I have also had a persistent "car tax dodger" driving his car around my area!

 

There are always ANPR vans parked up. Further to this, traffic cars as well as the anpr intercept teams are usually floating around... yet some still slip through the net..

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