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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi everyone,

 

I was looking for some help in relation to a Parking Charge Notice I received from a company called Parking Eye. The notice states that I was in the FREE Morrison's car park for 44 minutes longer than I should have been despite me not noticing any signs stating the maximum limit (but then I could have missed them). Despite being in a 1st class pre paid envelope I received the notice quite a while after the offence took place.

 

The notice states that 'On the specified date, you were the registered owner, keeper or hirer of the vehicle of the vehicle in question. As such, you are responsible to ensure that the terms and conditions for parking, as set down and clearly displayed in the car park, are complied with.'

 

Now I know that this is not the case as this responsibility falls to the driver. The company then sent me a letter stating that I would receive a discounted rate of £40 if I paid within '4 days of this notification' sent on the 19th of January 2009 but received on the 21st Jan - again I find this unfair. This second notice also included very blurry photos in which you cannot see the face of the driver clearly or even the number plate (although they included a close up of the num plate below the pic).

 

I have read a few posts on various websites that state you should not pay these notices as they are unlawful, a [problem] and they tend to just go away if you ignore them. Is this true??? I am worried that if I dont pay and try this I will eventually be forced to pay an extortionate amount to these jokers.

 

Can anybody offer me any advice please????? Today is the last day for the reduced fee of £40. Also if I do not pay and they do not proceed or follow up, does this effect my credit rating??

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

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Hello RyRy. first of all, dont worry about it, its just an invoice for an extortionate ammount of money that they have no legal right to collect. Keep the letters from them 'just in case'. Next, ignore it. You will get more letters and demands and notification of court action. Ignore these also. They cant prove who was driving, and you dont have to tell them who was. They wont go to court. Dont contact them in any way, if you do, they will have 'hooked' you. Next, put the kettle on and relax.

Regards, jed

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Parking Eye are well known. You're safe to ignore them.

 

Credit rating is only affected *if* they take you to court (no chance) *and* you lose *and* you still don't pay.

 

Write to Morrisons though and express your disgust. The more people who complain, the more likely Morrisons are to ditch them.

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As the above advice states-ignore. The invoice that you have been sent should not trouble you. From personal experience if you tried to appeal it would be immediately rejected as the appeals process is done in house. After this you may recieve a few nasty letters from a DCA-again ignore.

Please do write to Morrisons however. As Al27 states, the more that complain they may actually do something about it

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DD Wales what happened with you? After you appealed did you pay up? Did you hear from them again???

 

It was just the fact it states PARKING CHARGE NOTICE rather than invoice but I guess this is them trying to be 'official'.

 

As I said they do have picture evidence but it isn't very clear and you can barely see the number plate although they have zoomed in and blown it up below each pic.

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No. After the appeal-(which i foolishly did before finding CAG) i took the advice from the people on here and paid nothing. What they said would happen did happen. I recieved 2 letters from a DCA telling me i had 7 days to pay firstly £100 then 2 weeks later £150!! That was 6 months ago.... The parking charge notice (invoice) is made to look official but there lies the [problem]. For those who do not have the knowledge of PPC's and DCA's it can seem quite frightening but thats just scare tactics on thier part on those who do not understand the law in these matters. As for the picture evidence again do not worry. If you have any further concerns post the invoice on this thread (washed of your details) and the good people on here could comment further and lessen your worries.

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Thanks DD Wales. I feel more at ease but as you say it can feel worrying. Last thing I want are CCJs or even more expensive fines! Lucky I remembered about this site today - was just going to pay it.

 

How would I go about posting something up on here though?? Just insert it as an image?

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On the specified date, you were the registered owner, keeper or hirer of the vehicle of the vehicle in question. As such, you are responsible to ensure that the terms and conditions for parking, as set down and clearly displayed in the car park, are complied with.

 

This statement of their's is completely fraudulant and entirely illegal. You can rest assured they will go nowhere near a court to try and substantiate such a claim.

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Good.:D

To post on here you can upload (via scanner or phone etc) from Photobucket for example and follow the instructions. Its very simple. When you compose your next response add the link to the page. If your still not sure have a look in the guide on the main page of CAG or take a look at one of the many threads on here to see how it works;)

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This statement of their's is completely fraudulant and entirely illegal. You can rest assured they will go nowhere near a court to try and substantiate such a claim.

 

Really? So I am 100% secure in that sense.....

 

As Long as if it comes to it I have a legal foot to stand on then I will hold my ground....

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They do correct themselves and say 'Date of Offence' on the second letter. That make any difference?

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"offence" makes it worse - for them not you. be reassured.

Not being funny guys but the scan has far too much info on it. The photos and the ref number there together with your first post.

I would advise removing the ticket, we dont need to see it.

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Not being funny guys but the scan has far too much info on it. The photos and the ref number there together with your first post.

I would advise removing the ticket, we dont need to see it.

Infact for future ref: if there are tickets with photo's and people insist on scanning ,the photo's should be removed along with bar codes, dates times and ref numbers. Just incase we have a troll.

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Infact for future ref: if there are tickets with photo's these should be removed along with bar codes, dates times and ref numbers. Just incase we have a troll.

 

Cheers - just wanted to make sure you made an informed judgement based on all the information. I've taken them down now!

 

Thanks guys.

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No problem. It is always best to be fully informed before making any decisions and there are plenty of people on here that will help you as best possible. As the stickie suggests though be careful when posting anything as PPC's/DCA's monitor this site and a few members on here are actually from PPC's and DCA's

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