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    • Hope there is someone who can have a look at this please? 🤞Have to hand it in in like half an hour... THanks!   INTRODUCTION 1.      As a defendant in this case I make this Witness Statement to oppose the claimant application dated 19.09.23 to lift the stay on proceedings, for the defence to be struck out, for the Summary Judgment on the whole claim and the cost order to be made against me, the defendant in view of my Defence submitted to the County Court Business Centre in Northampton on 22 June 2019. 2.      The Claimant confirms that this claim issued through Northampton County Court Business Centre remained stayed since. 3.      Attached is a witness statement and a bundle of documents marked ‘LON2’. BACKGROUND 4.      The defendant confirms she entered into a contract with the Student Loan Company (SLC) under Loan Number ………….. on 28 November 1996. The original loan amount was £2035.00 with APR rate of 2.7%. 5.      The loan was regulated by SLC and during the time SLC was in charge of the account the defendant successfully deferred every year as she was always under the earning threshold. 6.      The defendant acknowledges receiving a copy of a loan agreement enclosed as pages [1 to 2] of ‘LON1’. NOTICE OF ASSIGNMENT 7.      As per her defence, the claimant acknowledges receiving Notice of Assignment when the loan was moved over from SLC to Claimant on 22.11.2013. 8.      The Student Loan agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 9.      As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2014 REMEDIATION 10.  Defendant received a remediation pack from the Claimant on 28th August 2014 named Remedy of Account enclosed on pages [1-34] of ‘LON2’.  The cover letter explained that there was an issue under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 that resulted in Defendant’s balance being higher than it should have been so the reduction of £441.47 was applied to the account. 11.  The enclosed replacement documents in the pack showed correct situation compared to the originals with the erroneous Sums of Arrears. 12.   The defendant found this Remediation pack confusing and worrying that CCA 1974 was breached on Defendant’s account, yet the Claimant brushed it off with vague explanation and an apology. 13.  This issue puts shade on the Claimant’s requirement to prove the allegation that the money is owed as claimed under the Civil Procedure Rule 16.5 (4), as the Defendant does not admit the allegation. DEFERMENTS 14.  The defendant was granted deferrals for all the years they were with the SLC and continued to be granted deferments by the Claimant when they took over the loan as the claimant was under the earning threshold at all pertinent times. 15.  Defendant was sent and completed deferment forms for 20 years, between 1996 – 2016 without fail and no payments were ever due. 16.  Defendant had not received the 2017 deferment forms 8 weeks before the due date or the subsequent reminder that is customarily sent. 17.  Defendant had not been reminded by email about the deferment. 18.  When the Claimant noticed the Defendant’s deferment form was missing and this was unusual considering they have been at the same address for more than a decade and are on the electoral register, the Claimant did not make an attempt to call or email the defendant to communicate with them about the situation. 19.  The Claimant therefore did not treat the Defendant fairly. CCA REMEDIATON 2018 20.  As mentioned in Defendant’s Defence and not responded to in the Claimant’s Witness statement; the next communication from the Claimant that the Defendant received was the Remedy of Account pack on 1st September 2018 containing missing statutory notices that they are required to send within the prescribed timescales containing correct information to inform the client about their account as presented in pages [35-69] of ‘LON2’ 21.  Due to a system error between 2016-2018 the Claimant did not comply with this requirement and the correct statutory notices were not sent. 22.  This system error coincided with the dates the deferment forms were not received by the Defendant. 23.  The pack included annual statements some of which mentioned Sums of Arrears, much like the ones SLC used to send the Defendant in error – which was corrected by Claimant in 2014 as mentioned in points 9-12. The defendant was confused and googled the Remediation issue and found a - nothing to worry about – type of explanation on the Claimant’s website as it seems many accounts were affected. 24.  Claimant’s website stated: “What is remediation? During ongoing quality checks/reviews of our accounts, we identified an issue relating to communications that we are required to send customers as prescribed by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (as amended) (CCA). Additionally, our review identified issues with the data on some of our customers’ accounts. Having reviewed all accounts for issues, along with rectifying the issues identified above, we are now in a position to resume our normal processes. We have begun writing to our customers who have had arrears on their loan(s) since 9 December 2015 (when Erudio took over the day to day management of the loans from the Capita Group). This is to ensure they have had all the required CCA notifications and their account data is accurate. This will involve sending the corrected documentation to affected customers and corrections to the data on customers’ accounts. If your account has been affected, you will receive this documentation where applicable. Any interest incurred since these issues arose will be deducted from your account balances. What does it mean for me? You don’t need to do anything. If you have been affected by any of these issues, you will receive a letter from us outlining what we have done to fix it. We will provide you with corrected regulatory letters for the period affected by these issues and inform you about any adjustments to your account balance or payment as a result of the removal of interest added to your account during that period.” 25.  The defendant concluded this error must be also why the deferment forms were not sent and trusted that the Claimant would fix the error and send the documents with an apology, after all, if there was a problem, the Claimant would have called or emailed to let the Defendant know. 26.  The Claimant was in breach of the CCA 1974 rules in letting the Defendant know about the arrears on the account, and subsequent actions taken were unenforceable as this was the Claimant’s error. LETTER OF CLAIM AND COURT DEFENCE 27.  However, Defendant was served with a Letter of Claim which was a shock. She had never been to court before and did not think she had a choice but go to court as the other option was to succumb to unreasonable offer by Dryden’s Fairfax lawyers representing the Claimant. 28.  Defendant therefore submitted defence to court. 29.  The Claimant’s witness statement has not addressed the CCA 1974 breach that was stated in point 15 or 16 of the Defendant’s defence. ADMINISTRATIVE STAY OF PROCEEDINGS July 2019 – May 2024 30.  As the Claimant’s Witness Statement reads, during the almost 5 year administrative stay, the Defendant was contacted by Drydens Fairfax layers representing the Claimant with offers to settle the ‘debt’, however the Defendant found the letters had a violent undertone, each one threatening with a CCJ unless the Defendant complied with demands. It was therefore unwise  to enter into any kind of relationship with such bullies who were well aware of the Defendant’s defence and that their client made serious mistakes and a breached CCA 1974 rules. 31.  As a result of these continual threats but the case still on administrative stay the Defendant experienced continual nightmares and stress related gut problems. She has seen the gut specialist who advised her the mind body connection and trauma can be connected with her type of gut issues and the defendant’s GP followed by referring her to trauma psychotherapy. 32.  On 8th of June 2021 the Claimant sent a letter with the statutory documentation they failed to send the Defendant even though her postal address had not changed. Again this was another CCA 1974 breach. 33.  On 16th December 2021 the Claimant sent another letter apologising for and error made in charging the Solicitor’s fees incorrectly, continuing with a series of blunders.    
    • I'm trying to unravel this – but I get the impression that there was no contract between you and EVRi and that you didn't even choose them but instead you decided use some third party parcel broker in the USA which organised the delivery. Is this correct? EVRi came into the picture because they were then eventually selected for part of the journey although you had no knowledge that it might be them and I suppose it didn't really matter as long as the item got to you. Secondly, I really don't understand the journey which this item made. You bought the item from somebody in the USA. They then were meant to dispatch it to you to another address in the USA but for some reason or other it came to the UK and then into the hands of EVRi at which point it was lost or stolen. More confusion here because you now tell us that EVRi marked it as being out for delivery but it was never delivered. This suggests that it was going to be delivered to a UK address but earlier on you said that it was going to be delivered to USA address. I think you need to look at the story. Maybe show it to a friend of yours who is not particularly aware of the details and ask them if they can make head or tail of it and then come back to us with clarification so that we fully understand. Also, I think we'd like to know what the item is, how was it declared, what was the value which was declared. You said it was a valuable item because it was rare and collectable. I gather from this that it is non-fungible. We need to understand more about this. Was an insurance policy purchased to cover it during the delivery process. I understand that this rare and collectable item be valued at £200. Do you have evidence this value. This could become very important. Also you have given us no idea when this happened. We need to understand the full timescale. There are a number of possibilities here including the possibility of the contract action against EVRi on the basis of your third party rights or an action for negligence but we need to know far more and we need to get a story that makes sense.   Finally, I understand that you have sent the letter of claim. What did it say? How much time did you give them? What did you expect to happen as a result of the letter of claim? Whatever the answers to those questions might be, clearly you had no idea how to proceed after having sent such a letter. A letter of claim is meant to be a serious threat of some legal action if some condition which you have stipulated is not complied with. You set a deadline for compliance and at the end of that deadline you issue the court action. Clearly you are not in a position to do that so your letter of claim is a bluff and undermines your credibility and it will find its way into the EVRi wastepaper basket – if it's not there already.  
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Hi,having an ongoing problem with mcs/hsbc hoping someone can advise next course of action. Start with a brief history, had joint account with hsbc then had various loans, last one in 2006.explained financial situation to hsbc but they were not interested so all our income was swallowed up in charges ,fees etc leaving us nothing to live on! we were forced to open new bank account and stopped using hsbc account,our account was passed to the wonderful mcs collections. we were paying them 50 pounds a month until earlier this year when we asked for credit agreement,mcs said they would put our account on hold until cca was sent.that was six months ago and not heard anything from them since.We have never had a reply to our cca request ,no phone calls nothing!we thought it strange as we had a large debt with them but were pleased that is until today.totally out of the blue we recieved a final demand from mcs asking for the total of our debt or they would EITHER pass it to debt collectors to call on us or to DG solicitors for legal action.We are not bothered by there threats but as they are completely ignoring our previous cca request what should we do next? We have not paid them anything since sent cca request.

thanks Milly.

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If they have not replied to your CCA request then your account is well and truely in dispute. This happened 12 days after you sent your request and actualy 30 days after that they commited a statutory criminal act.

 

If the continue to progress collection proceedings they are in breach of the banking code and the OFT's guidlines on debt collection.

 

Here's what I told them when they tried it on with me :)

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/hsbc-bank/125577-metropolitan-collection-services-action.html

 

Just shout if you need any further help :)

 

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Pete, thanks for your reply,I was sure account was still in dispute but just wanted to be sure.You mentioned they have commited an offence after 30 days but think i have read somewhere that that does not apply anymore?perhaps you could tell me if im wrong.Have read your thread and thought your letter brilliant,I may adapt it to suit our circumstances,am guessing I will have to send them a letter in reply to theirs.thanks for your offer of help,its great how everyone is so willing to help ,will let you know what reply I get to the letter. milly

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I think you may be right on the criminal offence after 30 days

There is no longer any summary criminal offence after 30 days. This was repealed earlier this year and was never enforced anyway. Any attempt to collect while in default would now be governed by the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.
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HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Hi , update on situation,received phone call from mcs about 2 weeks ago apparently someone new had been appointed on our case,they didnt know about account being in dispute,or the reason but promised she would send cca.after requesting the agreement 6 months ago it finally arrived last week,obviously not the result we were hoping for but not sure if its enforcable.everyhing seems in order except on the demands and needs statement it has someone elses christian name instead of my husbands,but correct surname. clutching at straws here,i know but something seems not quite right about all this ,like the fact they havent been in touch for 6 months and even now they havent demanded any payments! grateful for any advice

 

thanks,milly

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Your not clutching at straws Milly :rolleyes: it is possible they have copied someone elses credit agreement :cool: look very closely at anywhere where there are personal details of yours that are correct, is this in anyway different to the other sections of the form? are there any signs these have been altered? is the form signed by your husband?

 

I'm not saying MCS would stoop to these levels but it has been known with other DCA's so its worth checking :rolleyes:.

 

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Have another update and need some advice please. On friday received a letter from DG solicitors threatening legal action and gave us 7 days to pay the debt in full! This prompted me to look more closely at the agreement they sent.I have managed to find our original agreement so compared the original with the copy and found a few discrepancies:confused:surely a copy should be what it says and an exact copy of the original? on the page where we signed and dated the agreement and the bank signed and dated, the dates are different on the original to the copy ALSO the signatures of myself ,husband and bank person are clearly different on copy to the original.on the demands and needs statement,my husbands surname is correct but a different christian name is on the statment.with our original paperwork there is NO demands and needs statement and my husband does not remember signing one at the time.there dosent appear to be an agreement number anywhere either.[on copy or original]also it says 62 payments in total ,1st payment sept06 followed by 59 more payments ,which i make a total of 60 repayments not 62? My question is this, what should be our next step now we have this information?im expecting to recieve court papers any day now,could this help in our defence? any advice would be appreciated, Milly.

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you have proof that MCS/HSBC don't have your original credit agreement and have "reconstituted" what they think you would have signed. This is clearly different to the document you actually signed.

 

I would write to DG solicitors stating that MCS have not provided you with the required credit agreement copy and you can prove this (don't say how just yet :D) Go on to say that until you receive a true copy of the document you signed the account is still in dispute and until they send a copy of the document they are in breach of the banking code and the OFT guidelines for debt collection. confirm if they continue to harass you for repayment you will send a complaint to the information commissioner, the FSA and the FOS.

 

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Thanks for your reply Pete,just what I was hoping someone would say:) I have already drafted a letter to DG solicitors but will change the wording now on your advice.I just knew all along there was something odd about all this but when they sent the "copy" at first glance everything seemed in order.If i hadn't found the original then i would never have known it wasn't a true copy.should I send them a subject access request? or should I wait and see what the solicitors come back with in reply to my letter i will be posting tommorow.?I wont tell them I have original agreement as you suggest but is it ok that I have it ,if it still goes to court would the judge possibly query reasons for asking for agreement in first place if I already had original?[if i had to prove the copy they sent was not true]does that make any sense? thanks for your help and advice i really appreciate it :cool:

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need advice please, received letter from DG solicitors on saturday in reply to mine,[it was signed by same person who signed our metro letters]anyway it said "please find enclosed copy of the credit agreement to the above account,[it was a very badly photogopied version of what they sent previously]It then went on to say "having reviewed our records we confirm copies were issued to you in november through metropolitan,in addition our client also responded to a subject access request during that period and a copy was enclosed"now I have never asked them fopr a subject access request so think they are getting mixed up and anyway what relevance is the number of copies i have ?,none of them are true copies! then the letter says "matters will be held in abeyance for 14 days to await your proposals.if we do not hear from you within this period we will be left with no alternative but to refer matters to the courts,with whom can then decide the legitimacy of your persistent requests for documentation.

we trust this clarifies matters."

I really dont know what to make of there reply,in my last letter I said I could prove what they sent me was not a true copy ,but I didnt say how,they have totally ignored any reference to that.

should I ignore this letter and just wait for them to take court action?any advice will be appreciated

milly

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need advice please, received letter from DG solicitors on Saturday in reply to mine,it was signed by same person who signed our metro letters

 

This doesn't surprise me, MCS and DG share offices in Birmingham and I know some of the trained solicitors they used to employ were getting fed up with the banks tactics... I wonder if any of them are still there? :rolleyes: lol.

 

ok off the cuff....

 

Dear DG

 

I acknowledge your letter of... etc... which totally ignores the facts of this matter.

 

You have now sent two copies (not three) of someone else's credit agreement. Putting aside the implications of this under the Data Protection Act, this account is still unenforceable until you locate the credit agreement relating to my account that you are required to supply under section 78 of the Consumer Credit Act.

 

I further confirm any action taken involving the County Court before you have supplied the requisite documentation will be robustly defended and viewed as a frivolous use of the court procedures and a waste of valuable court resources.

 

I trust this clarifies... etc

 

or something like that ;)

 

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Hi Pete, thanks for your advice, I have just composed a letter similar to your suggested one and am posting it today.

I am not sure if they are bluffing or if they really would take court action but

on what grounds? our persistent requests for documentation?

If they really are stupid enough to start legal action without a proper cca then I will defend ,after all I can produce the original if necessary:cool:

anyway for now I will carry on with the game and see what reply I get.

will keep updated on here.

milly

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Hi , not been on here for ages as everything went quiet since I sent my letter to DG solicitors .I never received a reply to that letter and havent had any letters ,phone calls until yesterday.

Has anyone heard of Central Debt Recovery Unit?

It does say on bottom of letter they are a trading style of metropolitan collection services and their phone number starts with 0500......

Letter says they specialise in recovery of debt where normal methods of recovery have proved ineffective

then says if I dont ring them to pay the balance they will arrange a doorstop representative to call.

 

Should I ignore this or write to them informing them not to call as account in dispute etc?

any advice would be great Thanks Milly

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Hi milly , welcome back :)

 

CDRU (someone suggested the letters should be rearranged LOL! ) are out of order with their demands .... if they are a 'style of MCS' then they're probably not a DCA either - but never mind if they are ...

 

You could try this letter suitably amended and advise them that this account is still 'In Dispute ' and should be handed back to MCS/ HSBC .

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/186927-unwanted-callers.html#post2011044

 

Come back if you've any further questions ,milly , someone will answer ..... :D

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Advice & opinions given by johnnymitch are personal, are not endorsed by Consumer Action Group or Bank Action Group, and are offered informally, without prejudice & without liability. Your decisions and actions are your own, and should you be in any doubt, you are advised to seek the opinion of a qualified professional.

 

 

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Hi jonnymitch,

thanks for your reply, I will sent CDRU a reply as you suggested,i'm hoping its a good sign that the account is now with them because if HSBC thought they had a case they would have taken us to court by now as they kept threatening.

milly.

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Hi, another update to report....

 

Sent letter to CDRU regarding doorstep callers and the fact account still in

dispute.

Had a few phone calls which were ignored by me,then had a threatogram saying they would be advising legal action....

Then received a letter from MCS[its back with them again]..........

A very strange letter, page 1 is adressed to ourselves and states

" your complaint surrounds the provisions of documentation in respect of the debts placed with our office.I can confirm that on 3 occasions the requested agreement was sent to you to satisfy the cca act 1974.

as these documents do not appear to be in your possession I have enclosed a further copy and sent it registered post.

In view that this is the 4th copy sent it is becoming apparent to me that we are not likely to come to an agreement regarding liability for repayment of the account" that was end of page 1 and it said continued BUT page 2 was adressed to someone else with a different date to the date on page1 and regarding a different matter!

 

I never cease to be amazed at there incompetence, someone probaly has page 2 of our letter....and they must have broken a data protection law surely ..

they are completely missing the point anyway ,we have all 4 copies of the agreement but none of them are the original.

Should I inform them of there error? obviously I would really like to know what was in page 2 of that letter...

It was June 2008 I sent my first cca request to mcs so this game has been going on for nearly a year now

 

any advice gratefully recieved

milly

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