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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi

 

This is the document I sent - sorry but it is all a bit complex

thanks

 

I have received the Court claim filed by your Company. To enable me to file a defence and counter-claim, I require specific information regarding the account to be provided forthwith. Given that this matter is now the subject of legal proceedings, you are obliged to disclose under the Civil Procedure Rules, the information and documents detailed below. The information must be furnished by the . If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

 

IN RESPECT OF THE ALLEGED DEBT CLAIMED, I REQUIRE:

 

1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of any default and at the time the account was opened.

 

2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:

a. A transcript of all transactions, including charges, fees, interest, repayments and payments.

 

b. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor

 

c. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account.

 

d. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

 

e.Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).

 

f. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

 

g. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

 

h. A genuine copy of any deed of assignment, or proof that you have a legal right to this money.

 

i. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998

 

j. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

 

k. A copy of all account statements for the duration of the agreement.

 

3. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.

 

4. A copy of your complaints procedure, as required by the Consumer Credit Act 2006.

 

5. Clarification of the date you acquired the debt, what organisation you acquired it from, their registered office, their company number (if any) and what legal title they had to this debt, and what credit license number they had at the time that the debt was purchased or entered into.

 

I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence and counter claim.

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I sent the CCA request over 12 months ago and heard nothing then received a court claim 6th May which i acknowledged and sent the CPR request (above) but have not sent it to the court, they sent me a letter saying they wanted to resolve this and asked me to call them - which i did not - i completed an allocation questionnaire so did the claimant and this is the next piece of correspondence i have received

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Forget about the CPR request. It means nothing.

 

Just list, in section one of the N.265 all the docs upon which you intend to rely. I would hazard a guess you have none. Docs does not mean statutes or cases etc, but docs which are in your possession relevant to the action. If you have none, say so. You can send a letter to the claimants sols saying that rather than completing a blank form etc.

 

Remember, it is for them to prove the claim.

 

They also have to file a list of docs and supply copies of any docs you request in the list. They will list all the docs upon which they rely to prove the claim. It should include the agreement, default notice and statements at least. When you have the copies you request (ask for the lot), you will be in a position to consider the claim and whether they can prove it.

 

If they do not produce a signed (by you) agreement - game over. Some of the other docs will allow you to formulate your case. If you intend to argue matters not currently in your defence, you will have to amend your defence or you may be barred from arguing the points.

 

Everthing else is form filling, let them lead in that respect. you are in the end zone and it is now time for them to put up or lose. Play your hand to the end, but if they produce the goods you will need to settle to avoid hefty costs consequences. Don't bottle it now. Get the docs and then post again.

 

I am new to this site and have helped a couple of people in last few days. I will duck in and out and not always available, but when you get the docs, someone here will be able to tell you if they are good paper or not.

 

Keep in mind they must prove the claim. You have to prove nothing and probably cannot in any event - how do you prove a negative i.e. "I did not receive the default notice" etc.

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Thanks aloysiush

 

Fast track is a new area for me - but you have posted what I have managed to learn today. The important thing is whether or not the CCA appears on their list. If it doesn't then (as aloysiush so succinctly puts it - GAME OVER)

 

If it is on the list, then you definitely want to see it to see if it's enforceable or not. Similarly any default notice.

 

Keep us posted.

 

 

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Thanks very much for your input - basically it is like you say I am not relying on anything as there is nothing i have so do I not have to list anything before the 31st

thanks for looking in

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Really sorry but do i just sit tight and do nothing and wait for the court to contact me with the list?

thanks guys (((((this is me wishing I did not have to ask so many questions and take up your valuable time))))

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The other side will send you the list of documents that they have. You need to do the same, even if only to say you haven't got any. Under CPR Part 31.6 the claimant is supposed to disclose:

 

(a) the documents on which he relies; and

(b) the documents which –

(i) adversely affect his own case;

(ii) adversely affect another party’s case; or

(iii)support another party’s case; and

© the documents which he is required to disclose by a relevant practice direction

 

By 'disclose' it means he msut admit that he has them. It is up to you to ask to see them, as far as I understand.

 

 

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linz2011,

 

They will serve (send in the post) you with the list. If they do not, you will need to make application via N.244 for them to comply with the order. Sit on your hands for now and give them 7 days grace (beyond time provided) before taking further action. Just send your letter saying, 'I have no documents upon which you intend to rely or at all' and use that phrase, now.

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Hi

 

I have tried to do the bulk of this on my own (with the valued knowledge I have gained from this site) however, I am a little out of my depth.

I have submitted everything that is required and the court case was scheduled for November and the judge agreed to adjourn it as the court made an error and printed the wrong court on the hearing date - lucky for me because I had no idea it was a 2 hour hearing and turned up with nothing?????

 

Anyway this is what the Judge has ordered and the papers I have received from the other side - so really would like some guidance from your goodselves

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Where is your defence?

You may receive different advice to your query as people have different experiences and opinions. Please use your own judgement in deciding whose advice to take.

 

If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional. Any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability.

 

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Sorry Josie, all that went in ages ago, this is just what has been received since the adjourned court case on 20th November - it is the 2 hour case I am slightly worried about - just needed to know if what they have here is watertight

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hiya linz2011

 

i wish you the best of luck and hope far more experienced people here soon will come along to help but i cant see the defence neither

 

can you scan it for us all pls

 

take care for now ciao MAZ

Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

my new motto is,,,",Taking back control of your life and home - such peace is priceless"

 

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That is everything they have to rely on - I am not too sure about the Reply Card thing but surely it is insufficient? and they have only sent one statement should they not sent the whole statement of account?

I just need loads of mud to sling but just need it clarifying by you guys ;)

 

Thanks Maz for looking in :)

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Sorry thought I had posted it but it says:

 

It is ordered that

1. Unless the claimaint:

(a) by 4.00p.m on the 4th December files and serves amended POC

pleading the claimaints title to the sums allegedly due and giving full particulars of how the sum claimed in comprised (as to capital and interest)

 

and

 

(b) by 4.00p.m on the 4th December file and serves a statement explaining the claimants solicitors answers to question one of the pre trial checklist dated 22.8.08

 

and

 

© by 4.00p.m on 18th December files and serves a witness statement complying in ALL respects with the provisions of the Civil Procedure Rules and condescending not only to the claim but the matters set out in the Defence the claim will be struck out (without further notice) with costs.

 

(2) Upon full compliance by the claimant with Paragraph 1 above further directions will be given to lead an adjourned trial of this claim

 

(3) there shall be no order as to costs of today

 

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well it certainly looks like the Judge is on your side.

 

The CCA is totally unenforceable and they have not issued you with a default notice.

 

You need X20, PT to look at the directions, I'll ask X20 to pop in as PT is extremely busy.

 

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