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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello. My son bought a used Seat Ibiza (Y reg) from an independant Citroen dealer on 8th Feb this year. Last Thursday the gearbox failed (dumped it's oil and locked up). I'm waiting to go and see the gearbox for myself to confirm what the damage is, but apparently 2nd gear has gone (as in teeth missing) and there may be a hole in the gearcase. The warranty engineer has refused the claim saying it's down to a worn bearing and so wear and tear. That will save them a couple of thousand in parts and labour.:rolleyes:

 

If the above damage is true then I don't see how on earth a worn bearing can cause it. I have done some searching on the Net and apparantly VW/Seat/Audi gearboxes of this age have a problem with the rivets holding the diff together which can cause the exact problem described above. VW Gearbox Failure

 

Questions for now, until I can confirm the damage.

 

1) Does the SOGA cover my son for a used cars like it would a new car.

2) Could he reject the car due to this major fault or is it too late.

 

When I go to see the gearbox what would you suggest I do? I plan on taking a camera to photograph the damage in case it goes to the small claims court. Also, depending what I find, plan to tell them to get the warranty guy back to reassess the damage (as it's obviously not wear and tear) or tell them to repair it themselves at their cost or I (my son) will see them in the small claims court.

I was an aircraft mechanic in the RAF for 15years and a work on my own cars as much as I can, so I'm not exactly green when it comes to car mechanics and have a good engineering background. (but I'm not a qualified professional either,unless it can do mach 2 lol) So I will have an idea wether the damage is wear and tear or due to mechanical failure of the diff or some other component.

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Having seen the damage, I think I'm going to struggle not to agree with their engineer.

 

The differential side bearing has totally disintergrated into lots of small bits as if it's been run for a long time while knackered.:sad:

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The differential side bearing has totally disintergrated into lots of small bits as if it's been run for a long time while knackered.:sad:

 

So it is NOT wear and tear, it is bearing failure.

That may sound like a play on words, but being an engineer yourself you will understand what I am saying.

 

It would not require to be run 'knackered' or dry to fail, it can fail because one of the bearings has lost it's case hardening or the race has.

To say it is wear and tear would need the bearing intact for inspection and if I read right, the bearing has shattered.

 

Is this a purchased warranty cdb?

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There wasn't alot of the bearing left, just little pieces in the box.

 

I see what you're saying.

 

They are saying it had to be driven with the car in that condition for a while for it to have got to that state. If my son had stopped straight away they may have paid out. But not being an engineer, how does my son know what to listen out for and that's even if he could hear it over the stereo.

 

It was a warranty sold at a cost of around £2-300 (I've forgot) by the dealer. The warranty is for another company, not the dealer we bought the car off.

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Can you not argue with them they are selling on goods not good for the road and that in such a short space of time someone should have picked up that the gear box had a fault before the sale took place.

 

Raise the issue, what if my son had family or a child in the ehicle and they were on a motorway travelling at speed and it packed in causing themt o have an accident.

 

Tell them he bought the vehicle in good faith and expected it to be of road worthy condition and last a lot longer than less then 3 months!!!

 

Dont they somekind of vehicle inspection before sale? Question them how it passed to be sold knowing that the gear box would not last much longer?

Also raise the question as to how they would feel to being ripped off, as a reputable company that is exactly what they have done to your son, demand a manager and be reasonable if not shout as loud as you like in front of prospective customers.

I`m sure they wouldn't want you scare off potential clients which gives them their bread and butter so to speak :p

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I had a similar situation a few years ago with a Frontera gearbox two months after purchase (had a couple of other issues as well), the company wouldn't repair it so I got another garage to do it. I went to small claims using the sale of goods act and was awarded the full cost of having it put right (although they refused my claim for the alternator as they put this down to wear and tear).

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Defo not wear and tear, and I pressume average sort of mileage. If this was wear and tear they would all be failing at that age and mileage?

Stick to your guns with warranty provider, they never want to pay and will wriggle, many are not worth paying extra for, but ok if given free with the car. threaten to sue garage if warranty does not pay, this may get garage to put pressure on warranty provider. future business etc.

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My son has decided he wants to reject the car. Can he do this under the SOGA? If so, how does he do it. Just tell the garage he wants to reject it, then wait for them to say you can't and then take them to the small claims court?

 

He's trying to arrange a meeting with the boss of the garage on Friday. The only thing I can think of is to try and argue that it's not a normal wear and tear bearing failure- that would be a noisy bearing with some play in it, not a total break up of the outer bearing race. I wouldn't expect normal bearing wear and tear to be covered by the warranty anyway.

Also, they sold the car at top book price and without any service history (we didn't realise until we got home and found no service details with it) we were assured it was dealer serviced all it's life tho. The warranty company details say they'll want to see the full service history, so I doubt they'd pay out anyway.

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The Sale of Goods Act 1979 states that, if you can show the goods to be faulty, not fit for their purpose or misdescribed, you have, for a short time after purchase, a right to reject them and get a refund of the purchase price

 

How long is this short time? The car as above is a Seat Ibiza 1.4s low milage- 35800, £3200 paid.

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Time to decide if you are going after the insurance company or the seller.

 

I don't think two months will be classed as a 'short time', but the soga will still apply as the vehicle should last longer than 35,000 miles from new, (and in any case, longer than 2 months) and was obviously not of merchantable quality.

 

You bought this car on the salesmans assurance and with the understanding that it had full dealer service history, so where is the service book that qualified him to give that statement. If there is no service book then it was just a statement that he made up at the time to help clinch the sale.

 

This is definately NOT fair wear and tear, so if you go after the dealer and they agree after you have mentioned the soga and service record etc then you must also (once they have agreed) ask for a reimbursment of the insurance fee you paid.

 

I would also ask the insurance company what qualifications the inspecting engineer has, and I don't mean the word of some customer service person.

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I can't honestly say wether he said it had a full service history or not. I'm not even sure I asked. You just assume a dealer will only sell cars with a full service history, especially if you are paying top dealer prices.

 

He is an independant Citroen dealer, not just some back street 2nd hand car dealer.

 

I will try and push the milage issue in that a gearbox should not fail in that mileage. Seat warranty covers them for 60000miles, but unfortunately only 3 years,so had the car been young enough, the dealer would have had to cover it.

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Ask again if they are willing to pay for the repair, if the answer is still no, then you need to send the garage and the warranty insurance company a letter before action.

 

Get a quote for the repair from another reputable garage and send that with a letter telling them (both) that if they don't do the repair then you will take it to another garage and sue them for the bill.

 

Make sure you mention 'Bearing Failure'.

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