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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi everyone,

 

I am new to this forum and wondered if someone could point me in the right direction.

 

My wife has received a letter from Fredrickson International which states that she owes a sum of £110.25,

 

 

My wife does not understand the origin of the debt so calls them,

 

 

they say it is to do with a littlewoods account,

 

 

she has not used littlewoods for many years and consequently has no records.

 

They bully her on the phone to pay £15, or they will take her to court. Since then we have paid no money, although we are in a position to do so.

 

Bryan carter has since sent a letter and is promising further action.

 

Whats the next step? Pay up or take some other action.

 

I dont really want to pay if its just some made up thing!

 

Thanks in advance for any advice

 

Mike

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Send them letter N from http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/20758-creditors-dcas-letter-templates.html#post162367

 

Ensure that you put nice big bold letters at the top of the letter saying "I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT TO YOUR COMPANY", do NOT sign the the letter, enclose a £1 postal order (not a cheque as this has signature on) and post recorded delivery to them

All my posts are made without prejudice and may not be reused or reproduced without my express permission (or the permission of the forums owners)!

 

17/10/2006 Recieve claim against me from lloyds TSB for £312.82

18/10/06 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent

03/02/07 Claim allocated to small claims. Hearing set for 15/05/07. Lloyds ordered to file statement setting out how they calculate their charges

15/05/07 Lloyds do not attend. Judgement ordered for £192 approx, £3 travel costs and removal of default notice

29/05/07 4pm Lloyds deadline for payment of CCJ expires. Warrant of execution ready to go

19/06/07 Letter from court stating Lloyds have made a cheque payment to court

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Just to add to the advice youve been given,

 

Dont sign the letter either, instead use a digital signature such as the http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/110578-digital-signature-guide.html Also most important, if you can afford to do so, send the letter via Special delivery not recorded as special guarntees next day delivery with a signature. recorded does not allways get you a sig, especially if its delivered on a bulk sheet.

 

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No because you paid is not an admission of guilt.

 

send a copy of it to the people who most recently wrote to you, in fact i would send a copy to everyone who is chasing you for this debt that covers all bases

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Hi,

 

I wonder if someone could give me some advice please.

 

My wife received a letter from Fredpay and another from Bryan Carter, They claim she owes £115 to a company called Phoenix recoveries (ref debt with Littlewoods). The debt dates back to 2002.

 

She has no record of the debt so we ignored the letters.

 

We now have a summons from Northampton County court, What should we do now?

 

Can someone help?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Mike

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In the XXXX County Court

Claimant -v- (YOUR NAME)

Claim Number: (CLAIM NUMBER)

 

 

Dear XXX

 

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION

 

I have received a recent court claim from your organisation. In order to file a defence and counter claim I require some information. Given that this matter is now the subject of legal proceedings, you are obliged to disclose under the Civil Procedure Rules, the information and documents detailed below.

 

The information must be furnished within fourteen days of the receipt of this letter. If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

 

1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened.

2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:

 

a. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor

b. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with *********.

c. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

d.Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).

e. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

f. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

g. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998

h. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

i. Copies of statements for the entire duration of the credit agreement.

 

3. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.

 

 

I will require this information within the next fourteen days. I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence and counter claim.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

XXXX (type, don't sign).

 

 

 

right, the first thing you need to do, in the morning

 

send this letter to them (whoever issued the claim) via special delivery

 

 

i will be back shortly to offer some more advice

 

regards

paul

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Wow thanks for the quick reply, I will do that first thing tomorrow.

 

What can I expect back???

 

Thanks

 

Mike

 

The court summons looks official from northampton CC linz

 

Amount claimed 113,92

court fee 15,00

solicitors costs 50,00

total 178,92

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What you can expect and what you should receive are entirely different things.

 

What you should receive is EVERYTHING that they will be entering as evidence including the original signed credit agreement (VERY important).

 

What you can expect is the run around as they realise you aren't an easy target.

 

As Paul says send this recorded, if not Guaranteed, delivery tomorrow as it is very important that you receive the paperwork in time to file a complete defence.

 

Now there are some important dates that MUST be adhered to.

 

Within 14 days of service (on the form) you MUST acknowledge service and indicate that you will be defending the WHOLE amount.

 

Now 14 days after that, so 28 days after service, you defence MUST be entered.

 

After that it's all with the courts.

 

So when was this summons deemed served ??

 

Any questions ?

Be VERY careful whose advice you listen too

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You can tell if the court papers are genuine, just look for an official stamp or seal. Call the court tomorrow if you still think its fake.

 

But you should definately plan to defend because that is a sure way of getting Carter's to scurry back under their rock.

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Ben, The summons is dated the 30th November

 

Linz, What is the MCOL?

 

The letter has the official stamp.

 

So if I am reading this right it is unlikely that they will comply and probably not chase?

 

But I need them to respond in under 10 days or I wont have time to send defence docs.

 

Do I need to do anything else other than send the letter right now?

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OK as it's MCOL you should be able to aknowledge on line.

The court document should have the pass code you need to access this site here: https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/frontendcontroler?eForms_action=next_LoginCommand

 

Now I would acknowledge now and then wait for their response.

 

Put a big RED ring around 26the December as your defence deadline to make sure you DON'T miss it.

These people WILL go for a default judgement if they can

Be VERY careful whose advice you listen too

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ok, so heres an update. got a letter today thanking us for our recent communication and that they have referred the matter to their clients.

 

In the meantime they have placed the account on hold.

 

So I guess this is some sort of stall tactic, I thought they were legally obliged to pass on the file?

 

What should I do now???

 

Thanks in advance

 

Mike

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Hi,

 

Got a reply from B.C. today not sure what to do next. I had asked for details of a debt they are chasing which we have no record for.

 

link to previously posted thread:- http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/122849-bryan-carter-littlewoods-fredpay.html

 

 

They say the account is on hold, but I dont trust them.

 

Should I do something else and when do I need to submit something to the court to tell them they havent provided me with the necessary information to defend myself?

 

 

 

any help would appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Mike

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ok, so heres an update. got a letter today thanking us for our recent communication and that they have referred the matter to their clients.

 

In the meantime they have placed the account on hold.do not trust them as far as you could throw them!!!!!

 

So I guess this is some sort of stall tactic, I thought they were legally obliged to pass on the file?

 

What should I do now???

 

Thanks in advance

 

Mike

 

right then, proceed as normal,

 

i trust you sent the CPR disclosure letter? if you did dont worry we will put together a defence to their action.

 

i trust they have not supplied you with any documents yet?

 

we carry on regardless as it has been known for these companies to play silly beggars and try to get you to not file a defence then file for judgment in default cause you failed to supply a defence

 

 

regards

paul

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