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    • I've given it a try, I expect alot of work required so will give my eyes and brain a rest as I'm getting word blind.. and I'll come back later following your initial bashings Thanks IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;   I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. 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The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. 8. Point 3 is noted and denied. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 9. Point 5 is noted and disputed. 10. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked *** The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 11. Point 11 is noted and disputed. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. 12. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** (dates are wrong) 13. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 14. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. Conclusion 15. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 16. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 17. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter into settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter into such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment. Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
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Hi All

 

I sent the following letter to RBS without sending a Postal Order for £1. The below links are the response I recieved today.

 

Date: 16th March 2010

 

Dear Sir or Madam

 

Account number - xxxxxxxxx

Sort Code – xxxxxxxx

 

After recently obtaining a copy of my credit file from Experian I was concerned to note that your company has placed a "Default" notice against the above account.

 

Further to this I have no recollection of ever receiving such a notice, and I therefore require you to substantiate this data at your earliest convenience.

 

1. You must supply me with a true copy of the alleged agreement you refer to. This is my right under your obligation to supply a copy of the agreement under the legislation contained within s.78 (1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 (s.77 (1) for fixed sum credit). Your obligation also extends to providing a statement of account.

 

2. You must supply me with a signed true and certified copy of the original default notice

 

3. Any deed of assignment if the debt was sold on

 

I would request that this data is provided to myself within the next 28 days, if you are unable to provide this data then I must insist that it is removed from my files as unsubstantiated.

 

Yours faithfully

 

 

Now I have recieved today the following

 

 

RBS RESPONSE

 

 

AGREEMENT

 

 

2nd PAGE OF T&C's

 

Is the response from RBS correct? Is the Agreement ok? It looks like a template, just to let you know, I have not blanked out anything under the Credit Reference No. This simply isn't any on the agreement they have sent me.

 

They did send me photocopies of the Insurance Policy Terms & Conditions, and a schedule of Arrears. I can upload them too if you need to see them.

 

What I am interested in is firstly the insurance, I KNOW I was advised and sold the insurance from the bank and would ONLY get the loan if I took the Insurance. I was unaware at the time that this was not a pre-requisite until I came here.

Secondly, I wanted to get a true copy of the Default notice - which hasn't arrived. Now I am more than willing to send a Postal Order and to be honest the letter I sent them was from another site, so didn't realise when I sent it that I needed to send a Postal Order, so if I should, would it not be worth sending a SAR - would the Default Notice arrive with that?

 

Can someone advise on this please? I am currently paying FCM £35 per month and have been doing so for the last 2 years and have not missed a payment.

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No they are not obliged to sent you a copy of a DN, it is extremely rare for them to keep a copy. As for that CCA it looks as if it is a reconstruction as there doesn't appear to be any signatures unless you've blanked them out. Also if you signed the agreement at home it seems to be missing the 'right to cancel' which is a prescribed term & the agreement would be unenforceable if it was missing.

 

If your signature is missing I'd be tempted to send them Scots letter below & see what their response is;

 

Re: my request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

Thank you for your recent letter sent to me, the contents of which are noted. I appreciate your quick response to my original letter. However, the reply received by me does not fulfil your requirements under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account. I may ask for this on demand providing that a fee of £1.00 is paid. This fee was sent with my original letter.

 

My request remains outstanding. The items you sent in your reply, does not constitute a true copy of any credit agreement that may or may not have been signed by me on the opening of this account. It neither confirms that I am liable for any alleged debt to you, nor gives me any chance to evaluate whether any original agreement was ‘properly executed’.

 

I still require you to send me a true copy of the original credit agreement that you allege exists. As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can produce such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.

 

You had until XX/XX/2010 to provide me with the true copy I requested. You are now in default of my request. Any account I hold with you is now in legal dispute. Whilst the account remains in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for any payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you. Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interest on the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agency.

 

To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the customer to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you may not do this.

 

The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office

 

To sum up, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the document I have requested. Whilst you remain in default of my request, you are not permitted to take any action against this account. This includes adding further charges and passing any information to the credit reference agencies.

 

Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.

 

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Yours faithfully

Print name do not sign

 

**amend to suit your circumstances.**

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Cerbanerusalert - thank you for the prompt reply, it is most appreciated. Can you advise if I need to add copies of the original request or a copy of the Agreement they provided with this letter, or will the letter be sufficient?

 

And should they not fulfill this renewed request, would it be advisable to send a SAR to them? If they have no copy of the DN, if they have a kleenex tissue archived with the date of the DN, are they not obliged to provide this information? My question here is geared around the possibilty of a 'non valid notice' and 'termination'

 

Again, thanks very much for your help

 

EDIT: Meant to add, I signed the agreement in the Bank, I haven't blanked anything out of the Agreement apart from my personal details (name, address) everything else is as I recieved it

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Just the letter will be fine.

 

you could send a sar yes, if they have sent a DN in the past there should be some record of it if only a diary event.

EDIT: Meant to add, I signed the agreement in the Bank, I haven't blanked anything out of the Agreement apart from my personal details (name, address) everything else is as I recieved it
It doesn't require the right to cancel then as it was on premises, but it would need your signature to be enforceable.
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Thank you very much, I have been looking over the PPI thread, but come to doubts for a claim for the following reasons:

 

1. I know I made multiple payments agaisnt the loan, but was made redundant in the November of 2004. I know I made every payment until I was made redundant, the loan start date is 28th June 04, so I presume the 1st payment went out in July, so 5 payments were made. Now it is my understanding then that the PPI kicked in and made some payments, but the schedule of arrears I recieved today states:

 

Balance drawn on 28 June 2004 - £3,200

First payment of £108,73 due monthly thereafter

 

Total amount paid to date is £2,882.14

Total arrears on account amounts to £3,641.66

Balance on the account £3,641.66-

 

Then there is a list starting from February 2006 of every month through to July 2009 stating

 

Missed payments to date under the original agreement are as follows:

 

£108,73 in February 2006

£108,73 in March 2006

£108,73 in April 2006

 

...and so on right up to July 2009.

 

So why only until that date? Why not up until April 2010?

 

So I am not sure if I can claim the PPI and if the amount paid to date consists of PPI payments in my favour during my time unemployed. This seems to be a single premium policy. For me I am so confused to the amounts paid vs remaining and what is interest and what is loan or PPI :(

 

Really have no idea

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cerb, thanks for your response. I have drafted this letter, mostly the same but slightly tweaked, can you advise if this can be sent as is?

 

Re: my request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

Thank you for your recent letter sent to me, dated 1st April and received on the 7th April, the contents of which are noted. I appreciate your response to my original letter. However, the reply received by me does not fulfil your requirements under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account. I may ask for this on demand when providing a payment of £1. Please find enclosed a Postal Order for the sum of £1 to be used for the purpose of this request and not for any payments towards this account.

 

My request remains outstanding. The items you sent in your reply, does not constitute a true copy of any credit agreement that may or may not have been signed by me on the opening of this account. It neither confirms that I am liable for any alleged debt to you, nor gives me any chance to evaluate whether any original agreement was ‘properly executed’.

 

I still require you to send me a true copy of the original credit agreement that you allege exists. As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can produce such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.

 

Although you advise in your previous correspondence that the agreement you provided was a true copy, I believe this to be a reconstructed agreement and not a true copy. As this only arrived on the 7st April you did not provide the information in a timely fashion as per the request. You had 12+2 days to respond, I was lenient enough to allow you a further 8 days, but as the supplied documents are not a true copy you are now in default of my request. Any account I hold with you is now in legal dispute. Whilst the account remains in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for any payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you. Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interest on the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agency.

Under the same obligation you have to my request I have also not received the following as requested in my letter dated 16th March 2010 and I there for request these one more time:

2. You must supply me with a signed true and certified copy of the original default notice

3. Any deed of assignment if the debt was sold on

To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the customer to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you may not do this.

The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office

 

To sum up, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the documents I have requested. Whilst you remain in default of my request, you are not permitted to take any action against this account. This includes adding further charges and passing any information to the Credit Reference Agencies.

 

Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.

 

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Yours faithfully

 

This letter contains 2 pages

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have been searching for the following which RBS have mentioned in the response:

 

Regulation 3 (1) of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983

 

I cannot find this, can some please point me in the right direction. Have searched here but cannot find this exact regulation

 

I have used http://search.opsi.gov.uk/

 

but have no luck :(

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have been searching for the following which RBS have mentioned in the response:

 

Regulation 3 (1) of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983

 

I cannot find this, can some please point me in the right direction. Have searched here but cannot find this exact regulation

 

I have used http://search.opsi.gov.uk/

 

but have no luck :(

 

What they refer to is correct however, I would write back and ask them to confirm whether the true copy has been recreated from banking records or from the original.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. <br />

Winston Churchill

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cerb, also in my earlier post you asked if I signed the agreement on the premises. On discussing with my wife the progress in this thread, she advised me that she DID indeed bring the agreement at the time to me at my workplace for me to sign! - What is the legislation behind your question in regards to this?

 

I personally cannot validate this as I really cannot remember, but I would have no reason to doubt my wife. It may have been an agreement that she signed in the bank or sent to us in the post, neither of us can remember.

 

Bit more information, the loan was to repay the overdraft. I can recall we were able to increase the OD time and time again and the bank obliged, until such a point as we were 'told' we had to take a loan as they were not increasing it any more. I believe the limit of the OD at the time was £1800. When the agreement was drawn up, we were not even advised around the PPI but sold the loan and policy in such a way to the effect...

 

....you are paying back in a loan much less than the charges for the OD and the bank do not want to manage your account when it is constantly over drawn...

 

They pitched it in a way that it was 'necessary' to take the loan.

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