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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Please can someone advise me? My brother is 55 years old and has a personal pension policy, which is currently worth around £10,000. He is long-term disabled and in receipt of DSS bens. i.e.Income support,Disability Living Allowance.

He is looking for advice on cashing in part of this pension-but cannot find help locally and do not know Who can assist.

 

Please can anyone offer any advice on who we should contact? We have tried the company who holds his policy and and a number of Independant financial Advisers but none have been able to give assistance.

 

Many thanks,

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Hi Katykatz,

 

The company he has the pension with should give him details of the options open to him, I would write to them and tell them exactly what you want and they will reply accordingly.

 

I can't see why an IFA can't help either, but there is a lot of work involved with Pensions and with the value of this one their fee may be too high.

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Dotty50,

Thanks very much for your advice and your time to respond to my query about my brother's pension. I think that I did contact the company Royal Liver who holds his policy-but they had said that my brother had opted to have his pension in 2020 and therrefore he could not taken any part of it until then. I only asked them on my brother's behalf because of the government ruling that opened up the option for people of 55 years cashing in part of pension. But, I believe the government has now withdrawn this option.

Though, I thought that some companies would "allow" pension policy holders to cash in at 55 years and not sure how my brother would go about transferring his policy from Royal Liver-an IFA explained that the costs of doing this would be too high for the amount of money my brother has.

I should have added this in my original query-but I had lost some of the papers and wrote in as my brother had been asking me to, without the full details, for that I apologise.

 

Thanks again,

katykatz

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Dotty50,

Thanks very much for your advice and your time to respond to my query about my brother's pension. I think that I did contact the company Royal Liver who holds his policy-but they had said that my brother had opted to have his pension in 2020 and therrefore he could not taken any part of it until then. I only asked them on my brother's behalf because of the government ruling that opened up the option for people of 55 years cashing in part of pension. But, I believe the government has now withdrawn this option.

Though, I thought that some companies would "allow" pension policy holders to cash in at 55 years and not sure how my brother would go about transferring his policy from Royal Liver-an IFA explained that the costs of doing this would be too high for the amount of money my brother has.

I should have added this in my original query-but I had lost some of the papers and wrote in as my brother had been asking me to, without the full details, for that I apologise.

 

Thanks again,

katykatz

 

Hello there.

 

I wouldn't dispute what Dotty50 has said and she's probably much more up to date than I am. But when I had dealings with this sort of plan, there were options for people in ill-health and for early retirement, I think.

 

Are you able to tell us what the policy document says about early or ill health retirement please? And can you tell us the name of the plan in case its terms are available on the internet?

 

I can see that an IFA would need to charge for the work involved in advising on this sort of transfer to another pension provider because the process is quite lengthy.

 

My best, HB

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Re: My brother's pension query-thanks everyone who has given advice. My brother's pension details: the policy justs states that it is a "Personal Pension" and when we asked Royal Liver via Finacial Adviser (who gave this help with no charge) for a "Triviality Form" due to my brother's ill-health Royal Liver advised that they were unable to provide this form as the minimum age for triviality was 60 years-this was in October 2010. Thanks

Please can someone advise me? My brother is 55 years old and has a personal pension policy, which is currently worth around £10,000. He is long-term disabled and in receipt of DSS bens. i.e.Income support,Disability Living Allowance.

He is looking for advice on cashing in part of this pension-but cannot find help locally and do not know Who can assist.

 

Please can anyone offer any advice on who we should contact? We have tried the company who holds his policy and and a number of Independant financial Advisers but none have been able to give assistance.

 

Many thanks,

katykatz:confused:

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Hi Katy,

 

How and when did your brother take this out? Did he use a Financial Adviser?

 

Your brother should have full details in a policy schedule or something similar, if he hasn't, then he needs to write to RL and ask for copies and, as I said before, details of what options are open to him.

 

As said in previous posts, Pension advice is a very complicated and regulated area, which may be why you are finding it difficult to get help, however you should be able to find an IFA with a qualified pension person to take a look and give you some basic information for a small fee but you will need ALL the paperwork relevant to the plan.

 

Try alerting the site team to see if they can point you in any direction to someone on here who is qualified to assist

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If you live in the UK you can contact ‘IFA Promotion’ who will be able to provide you with a list of independent financial advisers local to your area. Their telephone number is 0800 085 3250 or you can go to their website http://www.unbiased.co.uk

 

 

Just had a quick look on the Royal Liver site, not much info there but did spot this for you if it's any help.

 

Or here

 

http://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/

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Hello again guys. I'm really rusty on all this, but I thought 'triviality' was to do with the possible pension available being so small that it could be 'commuted' for cash. There are rules for this which I haven't looked at so far, but I would say they are nothing to do with being in ill-health. Of course ill-health would have to mean inability to work ever again, I think, rather than a temporary disability.

 

Ill-health in my view is not the same at all as triviality.

 

Can you help me here Dotty?

 

My best, HB

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Hello again. Dotty, you've shamed me into doing this :).

 

Katy, here is a page from the Pensions Advisory Service that Dotty mentioned, about ill-health retirement. I hope it might help a bit.

 

http://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/personal-and-stakeholder-pensions/stakeholder-pension-schemes/ill-health-retirement

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Hi Dotty50,

Thanks very much for all your time and help with this pension situation-really appreciate this. My brother took this pension out I beleive, in 1983/4. He did not get independant financial advice at the time, it was just that the company he worked for Arjo-Wiggins, were offering it to its employees-most of whom did take up the offer.

Un-fortunately, I am disadvantaged on many counts here-1. My brother does not have the original policy details 2. His ex-girlfriend burned all his possessions (including papers relating to his pension) in an 'amicable' break-up a couple of years ago and 3. I totally do not know what I am doing-as Financial matters are foriegn to me-so all in all...my brother has more hope of winning the lottery that he does'nt even participate in- than me sorting this out.

What I will do now tho' is contact Royal Liver as you advised and ask for a copy of his pension policy.

I do have trouble negotiating this site,as excellent and really helpful as it is, so please could you let me know how I go about contacting the site team? Thanks

 

Again thanks Dotty50 for your considerate and helpful advice

 

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Hello again guys. I'm really rusty on all this, but I thought 'triviality' was to do with the possible pension available being so small that it could be 'commuted' for cash. There are rules for this which I haven't looked at so far, but I would say they are nothing to do with being in ill-health. Of course ill-health would have to mean inability to work ever again, I think, rather than a temporary disability.

 

Ill-health in my view is not the same at all as triviality.

 

Can you help me here Dotty?

 

My best, HB

 

Hi HB,

Many thanks for your time and help. The only Financial advice my brother received (last year, as it was free) :was to ask the company (Royal Liver) for my brother to cash-in part of his pension under the "triviality clause" as he had recently suffered a stroke and then another unknown brain trauma and because of these health problems, he could apply to cash-in part of pension through "triviality".

 

Appreciate your time with this problem Honeybee13-thanks

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Hi Katy,

 

Your very welcome, any questions just ask and if I can help, I will or many of the others on here.

 

To alert the site team, you just hit that little triangle at the bottom of the post (it will say report post when you hit it) but don't worry that's what it's for and the site team may be able to find someone to assist further.

 

However, without a copy of the pension you will not get anywhere so get that first and when you've got it, come back on here and let us know. You will need to write the letter to Royal Liver in your brothers name as they will not be able to release any information to you due to data protection but he could ask that you are put on their system as an authorised person to discuss it on his behalf.

 

 

Hi HB, I suggested the site team in case they knew of a pensions expert on here.

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Sorry HB, Its just something that Dotty50 advised that I might try alerting the site team to see if I can be directed to more help-though I must say-I have received tremendous help and advice here both from Dotty50 and you Honeybee-thanks a lot to you both!

Hello again. Why would you want to contact the site team here please? I'm confused.

 

My best, HB

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Great idea (about asking my name to go on their system,as authorised person on my brother's behalf) I shall put a letter together for Royal Liver asking for policy details and will include a letter signed by my brother authorising me to act on his behalf.

Shall get back in touch when I have this-and thanks for clarifying this for me-as I did not know where to start.

 

Thanks again for yours and Honeybee13's time and advice.

 

Sincerely,

katykatz

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Sorry HB, Its just something that Dotty50 advised that I might try alerting the site team to see if I can be directed to more help-though I must say-I have received tremendous help and advice here both from Dotty50 and you Honeybee-thanks a lot to you both!

 

Sorry, I missed that. I can't remember the last time, if ever, I saw a pensions expert here. My OH is a pensions bore, but doesn't deal with this type even when I can get him to comment. Dotty and I may be the best you can talk to for now, unless someone else turns up.

 

I would definitely speak to the PAS if you haven't already. It's free and I believe they know their stuff. There are so many different pensions and annuities out there these days that it's very confusing. My knowledge dates back to before many rule changes.

 

My best Katy and Dotty, HB

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Hello again ladies. I apologise if this has been posted before, it's from the PAS about claiming an ill-health pension.

 

Dotty I apologise again, but triviality and ill-health are not the same argument. If I go back to the last page to see what you wrote I shall lose this, so I'll post and then go back to check.

 

http://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/personal-and-stakeholder-pensions/stakeholder-pension-schemes/ill-health-retirement

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Hi HB,

 

I've not mentioned triviality, I don't know anything about it myself! :???:

 

Only that an impaired annuity MAY be a possibility.

 

Very sorry about that, Dotty. I knew it had been mentioned, my mistake, it was LV.

 

So what are you planning to do, Katy? Sometimes with insurance/pension companies you need to be persistent and also gather as much information as you can to back your case or at least make them examine other avenues.

 

There's nothing to stop you contacting LV direct rather than paying someone to do it for you. Do you think you've had a full explanation from them, or has it been dribs and drabs of information?

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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