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Hi Sequenci

 

Can you let me know when I have to apply for the set aside - I have had no response as yet from BC&Co but I believe I have until the 14th September to do something is that right ? it was delivered to be on the 28th August

 

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Have you taken a look at the forms you need to fill in for the set aside?

You will need 6.4 and 6.5 from here:

 

England and Wales Forms

 

As you need to fill in the set aside before the 12 days of the CCA is up you shouldn't use that as your ground for the set aside. If no info is furnished you could always use it to defend the creditor's petition (if served)

 

I'm going to read through the thead and see what else we should consider.

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Well:

 

s271(3) IA 1986 gives the court power to dismiss the petition if the debtor has made an offer to secure or compound for the debt and the creditor has unreasonably refused it. The onus would be on the debtor to prove that the debt was unreasonable refused – the offer would have to be realistic and practicable. A creditor is entitled to consider their own interests, but a rigid application of an organisation’s policies could amount to “institutional unreasonableness”

Since Egg or whoever is chasing you are licence by the OFT and they seem to be breaching the OFT's own guidance on debt collection, I would argue that institutional unreasonableness is being commited by these people.

The fact that they've already obtained a money judgment for part of the debt should show the court that these people are just abusing the system somewhat, it's certainly worth raising.

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i'm guessing this ground would be possible too:

 

  • The debt is subject to a judgment or order of the court which is payable by instalments and no default has occurred or enforcement has been suspended

i might need to double check as they only went for the arrears with regards to the CCJ.

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The said they would not continue with the court claim so they never issued a judgement - they agreed I could pay £25 per month to repay the debt but I missed 2 payments and they issued the stat demand!

 

I am not sure if I should bring it up to date or not?

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Sequenci the other thing is - if relevant - the 12 working days are up on the 14th which is the same day I have to submit the set aside - can I wait that long or not?

 

well you could, in person at the court.

 

my only concern is that if the judge decides for any reason not to set-aside the stat demand it would allow the creditor to then continue with the creditor's petition (if they so wished), of course a judge should set aside the stat demand on the grounds of unenforceability but we all know the legal system can be a law of it's own at times.

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Are they allowed to issue court proceedings twice?

 

IMHO, in this case they are, because they made an out of court settlement which you then broke... they're not dividing the cause of action, in the sence of the section I quoted the other day.

 

However, the fundamental legal grounds are reasonably strong if they fail to provide a credit agreement, or document of assignment.

 

Still, I would suggest contacting the national debt line.

 

Since this is a regulated debt, it may be possible to apply for a time order.

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I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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Found this

 

Guide to credit control and debt recovery: Clifton Ingram - Solicitors

 

Makes interesting reading especially this bit:

 

Statutory demands on private individuals, sole traders and partnerships must be by way of personal service and therefore an enquiry agents fee will be incurred.

 

Outcome

 

The fact that you have instructed a solicitor should result, in the majority of cases, in payment being made either in a lump sum or by instalments.

 

If our credit control letter, letter before action or statutory demand do not result in payment, the issue of a County Court claim is strongly advised as the quickest and cheapest method of recovery.

 

Can they do this or is it abusing the system :confused:

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Statutory demands on private individuals, sole traders and partnerships must be by way of personal service and therefore an enquiry agents fee will be incurred.

 

 

hmm. not according to the law.

 

The wording of CPR PD INSOLV 11.1 states: "where it is not possible to effect prompt personal service, service may be effected by other means such as first class post...", which does not entirely rule out second class post. However, it would probably be possible to obtain an extension of time in which to respond to the demand if sending it by second class post meant that it actually arrived later than the seventh day after posting, which is deemed to be the date of service for a Statutory Demand sent by first class post.

 

Under further investigation of the Insolvency practice directions it should be noted that the service of the Statutory Demand should only be served by post if the creditor has tried to bring it to the debtor’s attention via a personal service, where possible. The process involved is set out in CPR PD INSOLV 11.4 .

 

The creditor is under obligation to take reasonable steps to bring the demand to the debtor’s attention and if, practicable, personal service should take place. Where this is not possible, the creditor is allowed to serve the demand either via post or through a letterbox, but it is expected that following steps have taken place first:

  • One personal visit to each of the debtor’s known residencies and places of business
  • If it is not possible to serve the Statutory Demand during the visit(s), a letter should be sent to the debtor making her/him aware of the visit(s) have taken place and purpose of the visit(s). The letter should also state that another visit will be made for the same purpose and specify the date, time and place. At least two business days’ notice must be given. The letter should also state that if the time and place are inconvenient, the debtor should name a reasonable alternative. The letter can also state that if the debtor fails to keep the appointment, the demand will be posted/inserted through a letterbox and, if a bankruptcy petition is presented, the court will be requested to accept this as a service of demand. Copies of the letter should be sent to all known addresses of the debtor.

If the creditor presents a bankruptcy petition to the court, an affidavit has to be sworn giving details of service of the Statutory Demand. If a demand was not served personally and no written acknowledgement of service has been received from the debtor, the creditor must set out the steps it has taken to ensure the demand has been served on the debtor. If the court is not satisfied that the creditor has carried out their obligations, it can refuse to issue a petition.

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PRACTICE type="start" timestamp="1040029633444"DIRECTION – INSOLVENCYtype="end" timestamp="1040029633444" PROCEEDINGS -

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