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    • thread tidied. new thread for the court claim is here  
    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
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    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
    • So, your response was not received by the SCP as you did not send it with a valid stamp. Therefore, from my two option in post #14, the first option is the only one available to you, but you do not have the option of asking to be sentenced at the fixed penalty level as the reason the SCP did not receive your response was down to you. Here's a reminder of what to do: Respond to the SJPN by pleading “Not Guilty” to both charges. In the “Reasons for pleading Not Guilty” box state that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing, and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP) charge is dropped. This is a tried and tested method to deal with your problem and is almost always successful. Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to do this "deal" because it needs the agreement of the police prosecutor.. During the pandemic courts made every effort to have as few  people as possible attend and they began doing this deal under the "Single Justice" procedure without the defendant's attendance. Some courts have carried this procedure on whilst others have reverted to a personal attendance being necessary. If you are required to attend, your case will be taken out of the SJ procedure and you will be given a date for a hearing in the normal Magistrates' Court. If that is the way they do it in the area involved you will have to attend, see the prosecutor and offer your "deal" in person. 
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Too right,

 

Shopaholic has just gone for a Default! Surprising as Cobblers seemed to have been on top of things lately. Shame eh!;)

 

BC:lol:

 

my AQ date is tomorrow!! i need a quick offer as i am away in a weeks time for three weeks and i dont want to miss any letters etc.

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LL,

 

don't hold your breath! My AQ date was 4 Sep and the only thing I've heard is from Cobblers and that was a copy of their AQ. Going to call the Court in a wee while, see what's happening...

 

BC:cool:

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LL,

 

don't hold your breath! My AQ date was 4 Sep and the only thing I've heard is from Cobblers and that was a copy of their AQ. Going to call the Court in a wee while, see what's happening...

 

BC:cool:

 

thanks Col knowing my luck they will try to contact me when i am away!!! txssers.

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LL,

 

what about having a "without prejudice" chat with Ms Burgoyne pointing out the potential delay with you being out of the picture for a while?

 

BC:cool:

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MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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Erm,

 

don't know, I guess you could drop it into conversation along the lines of:

 

"Just thought I'd give you a call to discuss so and so with out prejudicing my case......"

 

I'd give the Court a quick bell to find out when they might be allocating dates to get an idea of when that will be and when the hearing date will be, they may have an idea along the lines of "well, we are currently allocating dates for Nov..."

 

BC:cool:

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MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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Ah, no snags!!!

 

I have just spoken to a very helpful lady at Newark County Court. They have a Judge for 3 days a month!! And luckily he has just looked at my case. He has agreed that it is Small Claims Track and a hearing date will be planned in Nov (the ladies are doing that now)! I also asked about the N244 thing and it does seem that simple!

 

So, more time to wait, hopefully not too long now!!

 

BC:cool:

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Hi

Just wanted to say you have given me hope to carry on!!! I have had the court case allocated to Halifax (near me) and Cobbetts are trying to get me to answer a lot of question (apparently same as you!!). I have just drafted a letter, some copied from yours (thanks!!) telling them I will supply such info if and when the court requests it!!! I am posting it tommorrow and see what happens. Thanks for giving me the confidence to carry on, after all £2118 + int+costs is not a small amount!!!

Becky

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Becky,

 

thats your choice, I would send it anyway, but whatever you do, don't forget to send copies of Cobblers' letters and your reply to the Court for filing with your case.

 

Bon Oeuf!!

 

BC:cool:

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MBNA(1)-Start-20/06/06, Claim-£250, 15/8 - Winner!!

MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

BoS MCard Data Protection Act Sent 20/06/06 - WON 16/10/06

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Right,

 

that's it! RBS have charged me another £388 since I started the MCOL (thanks an extra £20 of interest @ 8% too!). I'm awaiting Ms Burgoyne giving me a call back so that we can discuss these extra charges and see if we can reach an 'amicable' settlement!;)

 

BC:p

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MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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hi col just updating myself on your thread such interesting reading its turning into an epic lol

anyway keep up the good work

bos~ Data Protection Act sent

~ statements received

~ owed £1766.82

~ prelim letter sent 30/08/2006:D

~lba handed in 14/09/2006

bos Data Protection Act sent

~ statements received

~ owed £1217.86

~ prelim letter sent 30/08/2006:D

~lba handed in 14/09/2006

court date issued of the 17th november

27th oct full offer totalling everything including 8% interest court costs and £10 dpa sar..... one down next to go.

 

rbs~ Data Protection Act sent off 21/09/2006:mad:

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TA!

 

BC:cool:

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MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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Hi All,

 

I like you all am after refund of charges with RBS, ive been reading your threads and have a couple of questions if anyone can help:

 

I have received what appears to be a standerd letter of defence from Cobbetts, Part 18 ect, I have also received my AQ questionare, i am proposing to reply to Cobbets with the letter in Agusta 109s thread but at the foot of the template it suggests one figure to be entered, Q. what does this figure represent?

 

And a lot of people are talking about a spread sheet showing details of particular charges and dates ect, I originally sent RBS a list of Dates and the particular charge taken on that date and then i gave a cumulative figure for interest,(i did not detail interest against each date and charge)

 

Details of each individual charge...................

 

25/01/2006 35.00

11/04/2006 35.00

ect

ect

 

i.e: Total of charges 1726.00

+ interest 254.30

total of claim 1980.30,

 

can i send details in this format to Cobbetts?

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Hi Peanut,

 

I think you need your own thread. Maybe copy and paste this post when you start it up. It's a good idea because then the mods and everyone else can be up to date with your progress and help you alot more.

 

Wxx

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Peanut,

 

not familiar with Augusta's thread, my reply is further back on this thread which seems to have been quite popular.

 

BC

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Ah ha!

 

On the doormat when I got home last night was a letter from Cobblers:

 

"Dear Sir,

 

Our Client: National Westminster Bank Plc (REALLY!!!)

 

We refer to the above matter.

 

Our client considers that your challenge to its charges would fail in Court (What, just like everyone else's??!!) Our client believes that its charges are fair, reasonable and transparent. It considers that the amounts debited to your account have been applied strictly in accordance with your agreement aith it andits published tariff, which it is satisfied complies with all applicable laws and regulations. Our client is also committed to ensuring the transparency of the information that it gives to its customers about the operation of its products. As such, our client does not believe that your claim has any prospect of succeeding.

 

However, as a gesture of goodwill and strictly on the basis that our client rejects any liability to you, it is willing to offer you a goodwill payment of £1,700.

 

Acceptance by you of this goodwill payment will be in full and final settlement of your claim against our client and strictly on the basis that:

 

1 you agree not to disclose to any third party the fact of or any details relating to, this payment:

 

2 you write to the Court withdrawing your claim."

 

So, a few interesting point there then.

 

1. There client now appears to be Nat West, would that suggest to anybody else that this is a standard template?

 

2. Why offer £1700 if they think that I would lose in Court? This has already been offered to me way back in June, why have we wasted so much time, effort and extra expenditure if the claim is going to fail in Court, just like so many other people's have done lately.

 

Ah well, I've also posted to the COurt an N244 Application Order Form to increase my claim following extra charges since 12 July. Should I accept the offer??

 

No, I don't think so either!! Up yours Cobblers!!:smile:

 

BC:cool:

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MBNA(1)-Start-20/06/06, Claim-£250, 15/8 - Winner!!

MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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Ah ha!

 

On the doormat when I got home last night was a letter from Cobblers:

 

"Dear Sir,

 

Our Client: National Westminster Bank Plc (REALLY!!!)

 

We refer to the above matter.

 

Our client considers that your challenge to its charges would fail in Court (What, just like everyone else's??!!) Our client believes that its charges are fair, reasonable and transparent. It considers that the amounts debited to your account have been applied strictly in accordance with your agreement aith it andits published tariff, which it is satisfied complies with all applicable laws and regulations. Our client is also committed to ensuring the transparency of the information that it gives to its customers about the operation of its products. As such, our client does not believe that your claim has any prospect of succeeding.

 

However, as a gesture of goodwill and strictly on the basis that our client rejects any liability to you, it is willing to offer you a goodwill payment of £1,700.

 

Acceptance by you of this goodwill payment will be in full and final settlement of your claim against our client and strictly on the basis that:

 

1 you agree not to disclose to any third party the fact of or any details relating to, this payment:

 

2 you write to the Court withdrawing your claim."

 

So, a few interesting point there then.

 

1. There client now appears to be Nat West, would that suggest to anybody else that this is a standard template?

 

2. Why offer £1700 if they think that I would lose in Court? This has already been offered to me way back in June, why have we wasted so much time, effort and extra expenditure if the claim is going to fail in Court, just like so many other people's have done lately.

 

Ah well, I've also posted to the COurt an N244 Application Order Form to increase my claim following extra charges since 12 July. Should I accept the offer??

 

No, I don't think so either!! Up yours Cobblers!!:smile:

 

BC:cool:

 

nearly there col:D :D i hope mine is on the floor when i get home on monday!!!!:D

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DH,

 

hope you're right, salthough I guess your money would be cashed whicever way. Don't mean to be the harbinger of doom or anything, I'm following you so I hope to God you're right......are you going to call the Court tomorrow to ask??

 

BC:cool:

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Hi Col and All,

 

 

Had the same letter from Cobbetts offering me £1,800. I have called to let them know that I will gladly accept that amount as part settlement but will still be pursuing the rest. I suppose it's just a question of waiting to see what happens now. This seems to be dragging! Good luck all!

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Predictable, who the RBS & Cobblers, never.

 

I have just posted the following to Ms B at Cobblers:

 

Dear Ms Burgoyne,

Further to your letter of 13th September 2006 I am writing to inform you of the following:

1. You name your client as National Westminster Bank Plc, which I believe to be a mistake as my claim is against one of your other clients, namely the Royal Bank of Scotland Plc.

2. That I will not be accepting your client’s offer of £1,700 in full and final settlement of the above claim but as an interim payment and I will be pursuing the rest through the Court. If your client believes that their charges are ‘fair, transparent and reasonable’ as stated in your letter, then it will not be a problem for them to disclose to the Court how the charges are calculated.

I am also unwilling to agree to the specific terms and conditions you have added to this offer, namely:

 

1. Not to disclose to any third party the fact of, or any details relating to, this payment;

 

2. Withdraw my claim;

 

3. That this payment of £1,700 is a full and final settlement of the claim.

Yours sincerely,

That's in the post now, and a copy to the Court too, although I haven't told Cobblers that, don't want to spoon feed them. We'll see if they do disclose it to the Court eh? Might even emither it to Ms B later.......

 

I'm still waiting for the letter from the Court advising my Court hearing date too, the nice lady at Newark advised me it would be Nov, so Cobblers have some time to play with, but not as much as with some people. Ho hum, the waiting continues. Soon be Xmas!!

 

BC:cool:

 

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MBNA(1)-Start-20/06/06, Claim-£250, 15/8 - Winner!!

MBNA Virgin(2)-Start-20/06/06, Claim £100, 15/8 - Winner!!

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Predictable, who the RBS & Cobblers, never.

 

I have just posted the following to Ms B at Cobblers:

 

Dear Ms Burgoyne,

 

Further to your letter of 13th September 2006 I am writing to inform you of the following:

 

1. You name your client as National Westminster Bank Plc, which I believe to be a mistake as my claim is against one of your other clients, namely the Royal Bank of Scotland Plc.

 

2. That I will not be accepting your client’s offer of £1,700 in full and final settlement of the above claim but as an interim payment and I will be pursuing the rest through the Court. If your client believes that their charges are ‘fair, transparent and reasonable’ as stated in your letter, then it will not be a problem for them to disclose to the Court how the charges are calculated.

I am also unwilling to agree to the specific terms and conditions you have added to this offer, namely:

 

1. Not to disclose to any third party the fact of, or any details relating to, this payment;

 

2. Withdraw my claim;

 

3. That this payment of £1,700 is a full and final settlement of the claim.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

That's in the post now, and a copy to the Court too, although I haven't told Cobblers that, don't want to spoon feed them. We'll see if they do disclose it to the Court eh? Might even emither it to Ms B later.......

 

I'm still waiting for the letter from the Court advising my Court hearing date too, the nice lady at Newark advised me it would be Nov, so Cobblers have some time to play with, but not as much as with some people. Ho hum, the waiting continues. Soon be Xmas!!

 

BC:cool:

 

 

nice 1 col i am home in the morning hopefully my letter is there also.

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