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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Hiya, I`ve just Received a letter from the County Court and am baffled as to what it means. It says as follows:

 

Before MR RECORDER DOBBIN SITTING AT Sunderland County Court

 

Upon Considering the Claimants Allocation questionnaire

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The defendant must file an allocation questionnaire by 22 June 2007 and in default their defence and counterclaim, if any, will be struck out and the claimant will be at liberty to enter judgement forthwith.

 

Does this mean that the Judge has struck the claim out and ordered that the bank pay me my money?

 

This has been going on for 5 months now and I was ready to throw in the towel. I`ve sent a letter to Lloyds solicitors requesting that we settle out of court but had no reply so I paid my court costs and of I went. Just awaiting a trial hearing date.

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My order recieved today says "any party affected by this order may under Rule 3.3 (5) appy to have it set aside, varied or stayed blah blah within 14 days. Should I apply for one of these or send an order to sop the defendant putting one in?

Thats the standard wording on all orders made of the courts own motion - ignore it.

 

Hiya, I`ve just Received a letter from the County Court and am baffled as to what it means. It says as follows:

 

Before MR RECORDER DOBBIN SITTING AT Sunderland County Court

 

Upon Considering the Claimants Allocation questionnaire

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The defendant must file an allocation questionnaire by 22 June 2007 and in default their defence and counterclaim, if any, will be struck out and the claimant will be at liberty to enter judgement forthwith.

 

Does this mean that the Judge has struck the claim out and ordered that the bank pay me my money?

 

This has been going on for 5 months now and I was ready to throw in the towel. I`ve sent a letter to Lloyds solicitors requesting that we settle out of court but had no reply so I paid my court costs and of I went. Just awaiting a trial hearing date.

It means if the bank don't file an AQ by 22nd June then you've won.

 

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Hiya Gary H, Sorry i don`t have a thread, i don`t know how to create one. I`m new to this. Do banks normally put their AQ in by the allocated date asking for a stay? This has been going on long enough.

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Here you go - you've got one now!:D

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/98892-dingle-lloyds-tsb.html

 

This is normal for Lloyds. They'll probably file an AQ by the date then you'll receive further instructions from the court.

 

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Ok so the day has finally come. Received a letter from the court stating my hearing will be taking place at 1400hrs on the 6th September. Never been to court in my life. Does anyone have any idea what I should be doing next. Do I need to take all Docs along with me, including statements and letters?

Any Help will be much appreciated. It`s been going on since january.

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I've moved your above post from the AQ thread to here. Please stick to this one in future. Thanks. :)

 

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Gary here is the letter in full that i have rec`d from the court.

 

The court must be informed immediately if the case is settled by agreement before the hearing date.

1. The parties must file at the court and serve on the other party not later than 14 days before the hearing the following:

 

a) copies of all documents upon which they wish to rely

b) statements of all witnesses, including the parties, upon whose evidence you wish to rely,

The statements shall be typed, dated and signed by the witness and stating he/she believes that the facts stated in the witness statement are true.

 

2. All original Documents must be brought to the hearing.

 

3. Parties should note that if they do not file and serve documents and statements as set out above then the court may decide not to admit the evidence of the party in default.

 

NOTES FOR GUIDANCE ON BACK TO BACK LISTING

 

This case has been listed in the back to back list where two or more District Judges deal with a single list of cases for completion on that day. Hearings will be shared between two or more District Judges Presiding over the list on the day. This case is therfore listed to commence at the same time as a number of other cases. The court cannot guarantee taht the hearing of this matter will begin at the time stated in this notice and you may have to wait some time. It does however reamin important to attend on time. If the case is called and you are not there an order may be made in your absence. The case may also be released to another judge, possibly sitting at a different court.

 

It is essential that you inform the court if you are unavailable to attend. If you are not available you may have to attend court to make an application to have the case adjourned.

 

If your case settles before the hearing date or if there is any change to the estimated length of the hearing please contact the court immediatelyto enable the time to be used.

 

Sorry if i`ve put a bit too much in there, but better safe than sorry eh?

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My Post is looking a bit lonely lately. Has anyone got any idea what my next step should be, should Lloyds actually take it to the court date. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi.

 

Please add brief claim details to this thread, and PM me with an e-mail address.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/103945-lloyds-court-dates.html

 

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Hiya GaryH. Brief Outline of case as follows?

 

Basically i`m claiming £1409.89 Bank Charges, I`ve added the statutory 8% interest per annum from the date I was deprived of the money. Totalling £1891.67, plus £120 Money Claim Online fee, and accruing an interest rate of 0.021% until judgement or payment.

 

So the total amount is £2011.67.

 

Appreciate your time in Assisting me with this matter. I`m new to this and am totally useless.

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I actually meant this thread (follow the link) -

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/103945-lloyds-court-dates.html

 

Also, pm me your e-mail address and I'll send you what you need for your court bundle.

 

(Click on my name then click "send PM")

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OK I`ve finally got round to preparing my witness statement. I would like to Thank GaryH for the Court Bundle, Does anyone know what parts I should be sending to the court and [problem]? This is very Baffling for me as i`m a bit Docile in these cases. The witness statement is asking to refer to exhibits. I`ve got at the top of the court bundle exhibits starting xxx1 through to xxx24. What should I be changing the x`s too and should I be sending these in aswell. Do I need to Follow the links and print those out aswell and take them with me to the court how many copies do I need to print out.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Has anyone actually won a case before it went to court or has anybody been to court and have to stand up and speak. This is becoming a bit worrying for me as I feel i`m very under prepared.

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Hi Dingle, I'm just as green as you but what I have found out from this site is read the Court Bundle info again and again. The Mods on the site may of sent you an e-mail, read it and yes you are likely to print off 300 + pages. You will need 3 copys of everthing, one for you, one for the court and one to be sent to SC&M. Lot of guys win before there court date,and some go to court and will have to speak to the judge, but they all win in the end. I've been told the Judges are human, so prepair your defence, you might not need it, but at least you will have all the answers he'll ask you if it go's all the way. All the best, Paul.

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Just rec`d a letter today, 5 days before the court date, from Lloyds Solicitors [problem] requesting a stay. I understand that if they get granted a stay then the court case won`t go ahead till 2008. Is this correct? Anybody have any such letters from [problem] and have the stay rejected. I`m not gonna comply with the stay as it has been going on long enough, hopefully the judge will see that.

 

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Ok, it`s all over. Had my court hearing at 1400 Hrs today, As i thought [problem] didn`t even bother to turn up, but I did receive a letter from them this morning saying that have requested a stay. Too little too late, The judge who resided over the case, Might I say, she was a lovely Lady, Saw through this and struck out the defence and request, then asked me how much I was claiming for, I told her it was £2011.67, to which She replied, "OK, congratulations you have your judgement forthwith" I went o reception and was told to get an N323 request for warrant of execution, In other words,send the bailiffs in. How glad I was. Still no idea of what to do next, I`ve brought the form home and unaware of my next step. I think I should receive something in the post from the court. But what should i do with this enforcement of judgement form. How long am i looking to receive my money from Lloyds TSB?

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well done Dingle! Its a shame that Reading is a bit too near to Brighton as they will evidently turn up tomorrow

Halifax WON X 2, Northern Rock WON, Capital One WON, Marbles WON, HSBC WON

On the 25th october I will be filing a claim for £175.00 Citicards. Just watch it!

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Way to go dingle, hope the rest goes OK:)

LTSB court date 25/7/07

17/7/07 I WON I WON I WON!!!!:p :grin:

HSBC court date 11/9/07 (stayed)

CapOne lba 7/1/08-15/3/08 WON.

Citicards lba 14/1/08

 

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Thanks to everyone for the comments. It was such a relief to get the judgment. It`s not quite over yet, the N323 form is a waste of time, i spoke to solicitors for the company I work for and they said the bailiffs can`t take money from the branch as it`s the customers money and they can`t take computer systems due to Data Protection Act. I phoned [problem] and spoke to a gentleman who was really helpful, he told me that as soon as they receive the letter from the court, they`ll liaise with the bank then pay my money straight into my account. Way to go.

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Excellent result, well done Dingle!!!:D

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I also asked the gentleman at [problem] if they are going to appeal against the decision, he replied that they don`t generally appeal if there is judgement forthwith. Just sitting waiting for my money now. Has anyone won Lloyds TSB and have to wait an age for the money?

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What a result. Thank you very much Mr. Lloyds TSB. Just had my money paid into my account.

congratulations:) A Lot of people will be happy to hear your news dingle:D

LTSB court date 25/7/07

17/7/07 I WON I WON I WON!!!!:p :grin:

HSBC court date 11/9/07 (stayed)

CapOne lba 7/1/08-15/3/08 WON.

Citicards lba 14/1/08

 

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