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Advice needed...

 

Prelim letter sent 16/05/06. Standard reply received today (so obviously didn't even read the letter!)

 

In their response they have made it clear that it is their final reply, so do I need to let the 14 days lapse or can I just move on to the LBA?

 

My understanding is that the Prelim gives them up to 14 days, and by them sending a final reply that stage is over so I should move on to the next stage?

 

All advice appreciated.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Absolutely, if they have said no then its time for your LBA.

 

Good luck

 

Nick

NatWest-

Data Protection Act Request sent 12/04 (Statements arrived 09/06/06!!!!!!!!!)

Parachute Account Created 25/04

Preliminary Letter Sent 09/06/06 reply received 14/06/06

LBA Sent 14/06/06 reply received 20/06/06

Moneyclaim request issued 27/06/06

Defence arrived 29/07/06

Offer of 50% from Cobbetts 03/08/06

Settled in full 23/08/06

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Received reply today stating there is nothing they can constuctively add to previous correspondence, and that they have alerted their lawyers and litigation department.

 

Moneyclaim here I come!

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Claim issued today.

 

Claim number 6QZ34017.

 

Amount claimed £3,530 + £120 costs + £741.34 interest

 

(Total £4391.34)

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whooohooo! Keep us posted!

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Halifax Unlawful Bank Charges: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent 28/02/07 - CC Statement's rcv'd 18/04/07 Bank a/c statements rcv'd 19/04/07

 

 

 

First Direct Unlawful Bank Charges: Settled in Full 12/05/06 | £2235.50

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Received letter today from Cobbetts (Natwest's Solicitors)

 

Dear barracad,

 

Our Client: National Westminster Bank Plc

Claim Number: 6QZ34017

 

We refer to the above matter.

 

Our client considers that your challenge to its charges would fail in Court. Our client believes that its charges are fair, reasonable and transparent. It considers that the amounts debited to your account have been applied strictly in accordance with your agreement with it and its published tariff, which it is satisfied complies with all applicable laws and regulations. Our client is also committed to ensuring the transparency of the information that it gives to its customers about the operation of its products. As such, our client does not believe that your claim has any prospect of succeeding.

 

However, as a gesture of goodwill and strictly on the basis that our client rejects any liability to you, it is willing to offer you a goodwill payment of £1,900.

 

Acceptance by you of this goodwill payment will be in full and final settlement of your claim against our client and strictly on the basis that:-

 

1) you agree not to disclose to any third party the fact of, or any details relating to, this payment:

 

2) you write to the Court withdrawing your claim.

 

Whilst this letter is written without prejudice save as to costs, in the event that you decline this offer, we will draw this letter to the Court's attention on the basis that we hold the firm view that this offer is entirely reasonable in the circumstances. This offer will remain open for 7 days until Wednesday 21 June 2006.

 

We look forward to hearing from you.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Cobbetts LLP

 

Now need to think of what to write in my letter back to them telling them I'll carry on til I get the full amount, unconditionally.

 

(For info: Amount claimed is £3530 + £120 court fee + interest up to today 14/06/06 £756.94 = £4406.94)

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I've just started taking action with Natwest, keep us posted!!! As I would like to see what they say about this.

[SIZE=1][U][COLOR=blue]NatWest Owed[/COLOR][/U]: [COLOR=red]£[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=red][COLOR=red]622[/COLOR].30 [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Prelim letter sent 28/06/2006[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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Natwest have sent me a cheque for the full amount, on the condition that it is confidential, and that the claim is withdrawn.

 

I have written to Natwest advising I do not agree to the confidentiality, and as soon as they confirm this is acceptable I will bank the cheque and withdraw the claim.

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CONGRATULATIONS BARRACAD!

 

Thats such great news. Well done, thats a big hit for Snatchwest. What are you going to spend it on?!

That was pretty quick, you sent your prelim 16/5 and got payment 27/6. Not bad at all.:-)

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In a way it's already all been spent!!

 

I'm getting married next year so it will all be going towards that!

 

Good luck to everybody - you will get your money back in full.

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So did you get the full ammount inc court cost + 8%?

[SIZE=1][U][COLOR=blue]NatWest Owed[/COLOR][/U]: [COLOR=red]£[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=red][COLOR=red]622[/COLOR].30 [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Prelim letter sent 28/06/2006[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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In a way it's already all been spent!!

 

I'm getting married next year so it will all be going towards that!

 

 

Ahhhhhh thats a good thing to spend it on, karmically speaking. my refund will be partially spent on the same, getting married next june.

congrats again, you must feel great.

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So did you get the full ammount inc court cost + 8%?

 

Yes. Every single penny!!

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Congrats once again buddy!

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Halifax Unlawful Bank Charges: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent 28/02/07 - CC Statement's rcv'd 18/04/07 Bank a/c statements rcv'd 19/04/07

 

 

 

First Direct Unlawful Bank Charges: Settled in Full 12/05/06 | £2235.50

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Well done! Just about to start our action against NatWest and wondered if they had mentioned anything about closing your account? :rolleyes:

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Well done! Just about to start our action against NatWest and wondered if they had mentioned anything about closing your account? :rolleyes:

 

No. Touch wood.

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Well done fella. Im sending my prelim letter today £622.30 owed!

[SIZE=1][U][COLOR=blue]NatWest Owed[/COLOR][/U]: [COLOR=red]£[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=red][COLOR=red]622[/COLOR].30 [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Prelim letter sent 28/06/2006[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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Another question, did you receive the refund in the form of a cheque or was it just refunded back into your account?

[SIZE=1][U][COLOR=blue]NatWest Owed[/COLOR][/U]: [COLOR=red]£[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=red][COLOR=red]622[/COLOR].30 [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Prelim letter sent 28/06/2006[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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Cheque.

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GREAT NEWS BARRACAD!!

As an ex stokie myself Im dead chuffed duck:)

Ive had all the standard p-off letters myself so this is inspirational

At the moment I'm about 7 days behind you,Ive sent in my moneyclaim and had an acknowledgement of N/W lawer (Ronney)corrbets but not the letter you received yet!!You were brave not to accept the confidenciality clause though

Best Wishes for next year

Tim

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So you're one of the lucky ones who has escaped from Stoke?!!

 

How do you cope without oatcakes?

 

Anyway...

 

There's nothing brave about refusing confidentiality - remember you are sueing them - therefore you are in control no matter what they want you to think.

 

You are taking legal action to reclaim unlawful bank charges - how dare they try and bribe you with your own money?!!

 

There is no reason to accept anything short of full settlement, unconditionally.

 

Good luck duck!

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How do you cope without oatcakes?>>

 

I really really miss one of those two...can you guess which?:)

 

Im very angry with N/W for charge after charge,they have made my life a misery,along with Halifax (whom Im also on their tail),its their unfair penalties that

put me behind time and time in the first place,anyhow,Ive had to sell my house to pay for it all...Yep great news this!!

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Received a letter from Cobbetts advising NatWest agree that I don't have to keep it confidential.

 

Can cash the cheque at last now! :D

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RESULT! So pleased for you Barracad it really is inspiring to someone like me who is at a very early stage (only just received my statements) You get so used to the domineering attitude of the bank taking your money almost every month for years that I can't say that I am not really apprehensive about doing it!

 

But, I know I mustn't bottle it because even the return of a few hundred quid would mean so much to us.

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Great news boss!

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