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Bazza is spot on and beat me to it.

 

We are worried that you haven't justified the 17 grand to the court.

 

Please post up this Exhibit 14.

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Yes, Manxman in Exile, I vaguely remember, but it's not up to me or you to trawl back over two threads, 30 pages and 700 posts to find something that might correspond to Simeon's WS.

 

The unpaid volunteers on here who are giving free advice ask an OP to upload something.  The OP uploads it.  Simple as that.  I've got fed up on this thread of having to ask for something multiple times and won't do it any more.

 

So, @simeon1964, it's up to you.  We need to see Exhibit 14 or whatever part of your WS justifies the entire 17 grand to the court, otherwise we can't help any more.

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Right, so you did justify the 17 grand in an exhibit to the WS.  Thanks goodness for that.

 

We can now understand the expert's list of points 1-29 (although weirdly he leaves one out as Bazza says).  We're getting somewhere at long, long last.

 

However, as Bazza has explained very well, you now have a big problem.  The builder reckons he owes you nothing.  You reckon he owes you 17 grand.

 

So the judge has got an independent expert in who concludes the builder owes you, but just one grand.

 

Do you think that realistically you can persuade the judge that the independent expert is wrong?

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What date did you receive the expert's report?

 

I see the judge ordered that the expert must report by 11 November (but their report is dated 23 November).

 

The judge then ordered that two weeks later, by 25 November, "the parties may put written questions to the expert".

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Excellent points MiE.

 

So it tomorrow/Christmas Day/Boxing Day Simeon can answer the questions in the last few posts, on the 27th there may be a chance to interrogate the expert as to why their estimates differ so wildly from market estimates.

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6 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

This Report was sent to me at 18:32 Pm on Wednesday,21/12/2022

Important question - did they send you it by e-mail?

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10 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

The claimant solicitor says there may not be enough time for the Expert to reply to questions and therefor asking court to change hearing date from the proposed January the 9th 2023

Given the tight deadline and the large amount of money involved, would it not be a good idea to be pro-active and post up what the builder's solicitor has written?

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The next stage is to ask the expert your questions.

 

You should use today/Christmas Day/Boxing Day/the 27th (a Bank Holiday in the UK, right?) to prepare these with the help of the forum.

 

You could ask why he hasn't considered the air brick for which you are claiming £50.

 

I think Manxman in Exile's idea is excellent.  List the repairs for which you have proper estimates.  Prepare a spreadsheet with five columns: the expert's reference number; your reference number; the name of the repair; the expert's estimate, the estimate your obtained.  And ask the expert why there is such a huge difference between his estimate and what seems to be the market estimate.

 

And any other questions you have.  You're the one who knows your case inside out.

 

Get on with this over the next few days so it's ready to e-mail to the expert on the 28th.

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13 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

Manxman in Exile:  I was not advised by friends, it was based of quotation of the builders.

Some items were not priced because at the time I did not a get quotation in time for court deadline i therefore left it blank

This is not true, is it?

 

The Particulars of Counterclaim were filed on 23 January.  At that time, fair enough, you hadn't got quotations in time for the deadline.

 

The Witness Statement was filed on 21 October, by which time you'd had another 10 months in which to get everything properly estimated.

 

You also posted up the draft WS only a matter of hours before the court's deadline, making it impossible to do any work on it.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

The solicitor sent the report by email and call about postponing because the expert was behind in delivering the report 

Why did you get the report from the other side's solicitor rather than direct from the expert?

 

Did you do the digging that was suggested months ago to satisfy yourself the expert really was independent?

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Point taken MiE.

 

However, the fact remains that there were 10 months to prepare a cracking WS, and no work was done on it at all.

 

i think your idea to go to the firms that gave the estimates is an excellent one.  After all, at this stage, 24 hours won't make any difference.

 

Use until the 27th to prepare questions.

 

The 28th to visit these companies.

 

The 29th to e-mail the questions.

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What is your own deadline for sending the questions?  I'm driving all day and won't be able to do any work on this until tomorrow I'm afraid.

 

Do any of the regulars know what Simeon needs to do with the questions?  I'm thinking e-mail the expert, the builder's solicitor and the court, right?

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OK, I've corrected the English.

Have a read for accuracy.  For example sometimes you mix singular and plural and it's unclear if you're talking about one item or several.  I think I've understood.  But best to read to be sure.

 

I've marked a section in red which I just do not understand.  You need to make it comprehensible.

I'm not 100% sure what you should do now, but I can't see that it will harm you if you e-mail the questions to the expert and CC to the builder's solicitor.

Also e-mail the questions to the court with a covering sheet, quote the name of the court, the claim number and the parties.  Point out that the court ordered the expert to report to the parties by 11 November 2022 and for the parties to put any written questions to the expert by 25 November 2022.  Despite the court order, the expert only signed the report on 13 December 2022 and it was sent to you on 21 December 2022 so it was impossible for you to respect the court's deadline of 25 November 2022.  However, you have promptly prepared the attached questions. 

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Spot on MiE.

 

I've read the lot and there is no mention of piling anywhere.

 

There were ten months to sort all this out before the Witness Statement was filed.

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Thank you.

 

5 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

Late response from expert and waiting to hear if hearing will shift on Wednesday.

Which hearing?

 

Your two threads on this matter are around 800 posts long with numerous hearings and submissions.  We've already got mixed up once and mistaken a preliminary hearing for a final hearing.  People haven't got time to look back through pages & pages to see what stage you're at.  So what is supposed to happen on Wednesday?

 

5 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

He has brought a claim of £2,886.66 against me. Can I ask the court to dismiss his claim on wrongful filing of application? I once raised this at claimant's  stting-aside application and in my W/S. if so how do i make this effective?

Haven't got a clue.  You've never mentioned this new claim before.  How about, like, uploading the paperwork regarding this claim?  And what about, er, doing it for once without having to be asked?  To quote dx -

 

On 08/11/2022 at 18:53, dx100uk said:

and if you'd posted the whole lot up as one mass PDF as asked EVERYTIME YOU GET SOMETHING..we again would not have wasted time and numerous posts waiting to eventually see everything..

 

:frusty::frusty:

 

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But surely this was dealt with at the set aside application.

 

He sued you originally but his claim was chucked out.  He tried to have it reinstated at set aside but the judge refused.

 

That should be it.  His claim is dead.

 

Or has there been a new development?

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I apologise for being sarcastic towards you before, but you really do not make it easy for people to help you.

 

Please, finally try to understand what is happening legally.

 

Initially there were two legal "fights" going on, the builder against you for around £2800 and your counterclaim towards the builder for around £16,500.

 

You won on both because the builder didn't comply with court directions.

 

Then at the set aside hearing the builder managed to reinstate the £16,500 counterclaim "fight" (see attached).

 

The builder's original around £2800 claim, is dead, buried, gone for ever.  There is no mention of it in the attachment.

 

If you are referring to -

 

8. Because extras were added the total of due was £6,880 of which I have only received
£4,366.60. I carried out all work save for the piling which I could not undertake.

 

then that is simply the builder describing the events from their point of view.

 

There is no claim for you for around £2800.  You won that part of the dispute.

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10 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

Regarding the expert position on this, how do i move forward?

I'm not 100% sure, as there have been huge delays in this case, none of which you've updated us on, and you haven't explained what is happening on Wednesday.

 

However, after finding the court order (attached) from six pages back, it seems the last step before the hearing is to produce a Scott Schedule which is defined here  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_schedule

 

11 hours ago, simeon1964 said:

the claim was £2866.66 not £2,800.00.

Yes, i know, that's why I wrote around £2800.

2022-08-11 courtletter - case allocated to fast track-hearing 2023-01-09.pdf

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It's best you phone the court then tomorrow.  Best to be sure.

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I thought you were going to ring the court just to make sure the hearing date is on Wednesday.

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The builder's original claim against you is dead.  You won.  If his solicitor brings up the matter of his claim you just tell the judge that has already been the subject of litigation and the builder lost.

 

As for your counterclaim, take all the evidence you have to back up the £16,500 (more or less) figure and show it to the judge.

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I'm sorry, but until rereading the court order on Sunday I didn't even know what a Scott Schedule was.

 

I know much less than you about the matter.

 

You're the one who's known since August that you would have to compile this document and have had since Saturday (or earlier?) when the expert's report arrived to do so.

 

 

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@honeybee13a Scott Schedule just seems to be a simple list of the matters in dispute, in this case the elements that add up to £16,500, where each party expresses their opinion.  There is an example on page 8 here  https://files.klgates.com/files/upload/international_arbitration_seminar_panel_4.pdf

 

Simeon has known since August that this would be necessary so no doubt has done research and has a draft ready.

 

 

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Yes, please upload it when you can.  You might as well use the expert's numbered report as your template.

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