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The last thing I want to do is to be negative after all the rubbish your wife has had to put up with over 18 months, but courts set a high bar for harassment and she wants nearly three grand.  Hmmmmm ...  However, I am not an expert, wait till Caggers come on who have had years & years of dealing with these cases.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to CEL PCN Claimform - White Cross Business Park

Before I came across this site I thought counterclaims were a great idea, and I was surprised the site didn't recommend to counter claim.  However ...

 

CEL's MO is to start court action for monies they know full well they aren't entitled to, and they have no intention of turning up in court.  They hope the prospect of court will terrorise motorists into coughing up, and they might also get a default judgement.  However, when claims are properly defended CEL invariably discontinue the case and take a small hit on costs.  It's a disgraceful abuse of the court system but they are able to do it.

 

That's why the site advises to first see off the PPC's pants claim, and then in a separate case later pursue for the hassle they have put you through.

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I agree with EB, dx, etc. - drop the counterclaim.

 

That will cost you £115.  However, once they've discontinued or you've given them a kicking in court, sue them for misuse of your personal data under GDPR.  

 

I've seen various figures floating around, but a minimum would be £250.  However this would be a much more serious case, they've passed the data on to various other parties to harass your wife and used the data to start court action they have no hope of winning, so £500 would be eminently reasonable.

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Brilliant getting them to discontinue.

 

Magnificent that they have offered to pay your counterclaim costs.

 

I agree with dx.  Grab their snivelling climbdown offer with both hands.  Your counterclaim is not strong and could easily backfire against you.

 

If you want to continue the fight later and give them even more of a kicking then you could go after them for breaching your data protection.

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  • AndyOrch changed the title to CEL PCN Claimform - White Cross Business Park***Claim Discontinued***
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Firstly, what you've achieved so far deserves a standing ovation!  Not only have they wet themselves re their own case they actually want to pay your counterclaim costs.  I've read loads of cases of PPCs being humiliated in court but never one like yours.  They have taken a totally-deserved right hiding.  Well done!

 

It's precisely because of the brilliant work you've done that virtually all the regulars here are concerned you could throw part of it away with the counterclaim.  You talk about your wife's industry but then logically someone who delivers pizzas would ask for a different hourly rate.  The court will probably have an amount it considers reasonable.  I've heard the figure of £19 (or £19.50, not sure, say £20 for easy maths!) being used in small claims for preparation costs.  £2000 / £20 = 100 hours preparation.  You can't really claim you've put 100 hours into preparing for the case.  

 

You want £500 for harassment.  The court sets a very high bar for harassment.

 

We're not saying just to give in.  Going on to really teach these crooks a lesson is exactly what they deserve (and your wife deserves too for everything she's had to put up with).  An alternative strategy would be to accept their £115 and draw a line under this case ...

 

... and then clobber them for a GDPR breach.  I've seen £250 as the base figure, but for all the reasons you've stated theirs is an extremely serious breach, so maybe go for £1000.

 

Have a good weekend you too - the football went well this afternoon for me so I'm in a good mood at this end!

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burmafriday,

 

as said upthread, your case is unique, I've never seen the PPC give in and then offer to pay counterclaim costs!  For that reason I've tried to ask advice from Site Team members with a hell of a lot more experience than me, as your case is so out of the ordinary.

 

As said many times, many/most/all Caggers think you should drop the counterclaim.  Maybe humiliate CEL further and say you want to receive their cheque before you withdraw.

 

Regarding GDPR, you've mentioned that you know that they know that the PCN should never have been issued.  Can you give us a few more details please on this point?  It will be important to show that they deliberately obtained your data from the DVLA when they had no reason to do so.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to CEL PCN Claimform - White Cross Business Park***Claim Discontinued*** now going for GDPR Breach claim
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Any update on this?

 

I ask as we have a couple of members interested in suing the fleecers for breach of GDPR, so it would be useful to know how you got on.

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