Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

I think it was the Washington Post that said earlier that a lot of the studies on covid effects and vaccination on the under 18s are from the UK and being read worldwide. So no excuse for a UK based organisation not to read them.

 

ETA: Has anyone spoken to people who don't want to be vaccinated? A friend of ours who's a doctor has had to stop talking to her grandchildren about it because they only want to believe what they read on social media, stuff like Bill Gates wanting to track them or being turned magnetic.

 

I spoke to a friend who's 30-ish and she thinks it will stop her having children if she's vaxxed.

[honeybee13]

Interesting. I haven't seen anything on that. This lady did say that there isn't enough information, but then there's also the concern that pregnant ladies who catch covid can be very ill and it can affect the babies.

[honeybee13]

Very sad, UB. I saw a similar story yesterday about a fit man in his early 40s who thought he was strong enough not to need the vaccine. He died too and his family are pleading with the public to get vaxxed.

[honeybee13]

Full Fact has looked at the figures for Test and Trace following a post on FB that went viral. It compared the cost of T&T with the cost of the Channel Tunnel.

 

FF think the cost of T&T in the first year was £13.5 billion.

 

https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-test-and-trace-cost/

 

[honeybee13]

ICYMI, pranksters film Piers Corbyn appearing to accept £10k not to criticise A/Z vaccines.

 

YouTubers dupe anti-vaxxer Piers Corbyn into taking 'bundle of cash' to 'ignore' the AZ vaccine | Daily Mail Online

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The video, shared online, appears to show Piers Corbyn accept £10,000 in cash from someone he believes is an AstraZeneca...

 

And the long version if anyone wants to watch it, from the pair who made the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34rnwBnll4

 

[honeybee13]

..not how long ago the second dose was, from what you say.

[honeybee13]

The rules seem to be out of the window if you're part of government. Do as we say, not as we do.

 

Alok Sharma seems to have done his 30 flights this year without doing much if any quarantine and he went to six red list countries. With him they said it was OK because he's a crown servant? Must be another system we haven't heard of before.

[honeybee13]

13 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

The ONS has reported over 150,000 deaths in England and Wales so far with Covid mentioned on the death certificate

Almost 50,000 of which were in care homes

 

I can report a couple of local care homes are having repeated confirmed outbreaks and lockdowns over the last 6 weeks or so - but no definitive COVID deaths, with a relative of mine infected and come out of lockdown with nothing other than very minor issues - not bad for someone in their mid-eighties with a number of health issues.

 

The outbreaks are apparently ALL from un-vaccinated staff going into the care homes despite regular lfts

One home is now telling staff to get vaccinated or they wont have a job

 

 

That's the same as France, except that it was the government that said nursing and care staff had to be vaccinated.

 

As of Monday, to go to a bar or restaurant, even sitting on the terrace, you have to either be fully vaccinated or have a negative PCR or antigen test.

[honeybee13]

HT, it's early days to know if it's working. I'll have a look at the papers a bit later to see if there are any reactions for the last two days.

 

If you mean how is it being put into practice, any premises subject to this rule - and that includes museums, some shops, long distance trains and planes for example - is responsible for checking that the customer has a valid pass sanitaire. This can be on a mobile phone or on paper via the government system.

 

Police can do spot checks and if they get involved, the first fine for a customer who doesn't have a valid  pass is 135€ going up to 000s of euros and a prison sentence, I believe. For the owner of the premises, fines start at 1500€.

 

ETA: Anecdotally, numbers of antigen tests are up because these can be added to the pass sanitaire. But these are free at the moment and will become charging next month. It will be interesting to see the effect of that.

[honeybee13]

The testing 'system' for travellers doesn't seem to be working well, but HMG are making a fortune in VAT,

 

Ministers face calls to intervene in ‘scam’ Covid travel test system | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Travellers have complained of unfair prices, missed deliveries and slow processing of PCR tests

 

[honeybee13]

Are you talking about dodgy certificates, HT? I'm  not suggesting that you plan to make them.

 

[honeybee13]

So if boosters aren't needed, why are the government ordering or at least having options on 35m doses of Pfizer alone for next year? I think I got the figure right.

Edited August 11, 2021 by honeybee13
Previous figure may have been wrong.

[honeybee13]

The misinformation is worrying. In France, protestors have vandalised some vaccine centres and painted on yellow stars to imply it's similar to anti-Jewish moves by the Nazis.

 

Edit: link added.

French police on alert after Covid testing centre attacks | France | The Guardian

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Vandals damage 22 health sites, often leaving graffiti comparing vaccination drive to Holocaust

 

[honeybee13]

The FT are saying that the government want pharmacies to sign up to give booster vaccinations from the autumn, alongside flu jabs. They hope this will enable some hospital based clinics to close and the staff to go back to trying to clear the backlog of treatment.

 

I understood pharmacies can't give Pfizer jabs because of the low temperature storage they need. So will it be restricted to AZ and other vaccines that don't need super-freezers?

 

 

[honeybee13]

3 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

these will be vaccinations (mainly intended for younger people) not boosters wont they HT?

 

 

So Pfizer isn't suitable for that age group. If the centres don't have super-freezers for the doses, I think once they're thawed, they have to be used within about five days and expire after that.

[honeybee13]

Schools unions are saying that ventilation in schools should be improved before the new term starts.

 

This is blindingly obvious and HMG have had well over a year to organise it but don't seem to have done anything.

 

Classrooms in England ‘urgently’ need air filters, school unions say | Schools | The Guardian

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Seven unions call on education secretary to improve ventilation to protect children ahead of new term

 

[honeybee13]

This is a depressing read about vaccine hoarding. It isn't how I thought Covax worked, certainly.

 

Rich nations dip into COVAX supply while poor wait for shots

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LONDON (AP) — An international system to share coronavirus vaccines was supposed to guarantee that low and middle-income countries could get...

 

[honeybee13]

There's a new study out on the effectiveness of vaccines.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/pfizer-vaccine-effectiveness-oxford-jab-study-b951331.html

 

[honeybee13]

Figures have been released of covid cases from major sporting events this summer. Euro 2020 is in the lead by some margin...

 

9,000 Covid cases linked to Euro 2020 games in mass events scheme | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Study paper says England’s progress to final ‘generated a significant risk to public health across the UK’

 

[honeybee13]

Finally - work on ventilating schools and measuring air quality.

 

They've had about 18 months to think about this and it takes a campaign to make them do anything. It's to be hoped they get on with it now.

 

Classrooms in England to get air quality monitors to help combat Covid | Schools | The Guardian

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Department for Education decision comes after campaign by school staff and unions for better ventilation

 

[honeybee13]

I know it's complicated but surely HMG have to try?

 

This is Christina Pagel of Indie Sage.

 

Christina Pagel: Schools—a gaping hole in the English covid strategy  - The BMJ

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England is an anomaly in not undertaking any of the three strategies to prevent transmission in schools, says Christina Pagel The highly...

 

[honeybee13]

It's a start, isn't it, TJ? But there are 96 million Vietnamese.

[honeybee13]

I haven't heard about the vaccines. It would be tragic if they were disposed of.

[honeybee13]

Yes, I had it at the same time my flu jab. If you're asking whether I reacted, I didn't.

[honeybee13]

I've had flu jabs done at the pharmacy in the past, it's often quieter.