Our next PM

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, hightail said:

Could this possibly be why he's so keen on the idea of a no deal Brexit?

 

 

Its the only way he can escape not having to totally fail on delivering on his lies.

He has a better chance of blaming everything and anyone else after having 'delivered what the people voted for'

- rather than delivering on all the failed assurances he and his leave campaign have continues to spin.

 

 

 

I have no doubts whatsoever he will hard Brexit at any cost - unless the EU give him his cake and eat it - which they wont.

- it is in his interests to leave in covering/blurring his lies.

 

else he would be on the spot to deliver.

 

[tobyjugg2]

lets all remember who he is intending to sell this 'its all the EU's fault too ...

the idots who for some strange reason think he isnt unfit for any responsible position. and think he is talking sense.

If they believe that, they will believe anything.

 

 

I think we can all look forward to the shortest serving PM in history if he gets in.

 

Trouble is, a general election probably wont get us much better.

 

All we can hope for is a minority government propped up by the libdems - and lets hope they don't make the same mistake twice.

The libdems need to learn from the DUP and realise a small supporting party can largely run the roost in a limited number of areas that matter to them - as long as they are firm and hard enough.

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

So, either a Johnson ERG Tory/Brexit party coalition (why Boris might not be afraid of a general election) with Farage as deputy PM/senior minister

or a labour reluctant libdem coalition

after a Sept general election,

or (sounds like) Hunt

 

with Labour and Tory defections to other parties

A handful of Labour to the Brexit Party, more to the Libdems.

 

Corbyn gripping onto the Brexit doors for grim death against the whole Labour establishment now.

Long past the stage where you could trust Corbyn any more than you can Johnson.

The only difference is Johnson is clearly very happy to lie through his teeth, Corbyn will just obfuscate and avoid - but the result is the same

- both will claim - I didn't mean that - YOU misunderstood.

 

 

 

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[tobyjugg2]

Although I hope what you say remains the case,

Just imagine Farage working with Johnson and agreeing a non aggression pact

Don't forget many Tory party activists seem to be refusing to campaign on anything other than hard  brexit

 

The polls show labour as potentially 4th in a general election, and with moderates at risk of de-selection by comrade corbyn, a jump to the Libdems would seem to be their best option.

Similarly with moderate Tories who may not be de-selected, but may lose their seats anyway.

Lets never forget that whatever else is happening - the majority of MP's want to keep their cushy well paid, inflation proof seats, and high risk of lost seat may tip them where conscience and sanity wouldn't.

 

 

The hard core of Brexiters will stay hard core - and its enough to make a difference with the weakness of Trot labour and Erg Cons.

 

The ERG hard right Tories and the Brexit Party are natural allies.

[tobyjugg2]

With all politicians, what they say often does not happen - sometimes despite their efforts,

trouble with Johnson as with all pathological liars what they say means nothing.

 

All you can be sure of with Johnson is that he will act in his own immediate interests and he WILL betray anyone and everyone the moment it is in his interests to do so.

If a general election is in his best interests - he will call one - else he won't.

 

Just remember the look of horror on his face when the leave win was announced.

 

.. and Yes HB he would.and might be in a Tory/Brexit Party teamed GE

... but he wouldn't need to be elected for the US Ambassador job ....

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting article HB

I think there are a couple of seats where high profile Brextit party runners could win with no Tory candidate (but perhaps no Tory endorsement)

- one for Farage and a couple for a few others - Sold as a major victory gaining the Brexit Party a handful of MP's while giving the rest to Brexit promising Boris

 

.. not that they could count on him delivering anything he promised unless its in Boris' interests.

He be happy to betray them and just have a few Brexit Mp's as long as he had a majority

 

The big issue there is what would the Tory Party do if he failed to deliver.

Not a lot I other than noise I think.

 

 

 

Can't you just imagine T Potus (tossus not the other US tossus POTUS)

'et tu Boris?

Edited July 9, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

I think its utterly definitive of the current situation in the UK that an apparently highly thought of, credible and competent civil servant is effectively forced into resigning for being honest and doing his job,

when unconscionable self serving liar Johnson not only gets away with blatant lying and NOT doing a good job, he's lined up to be the next PM

 

That the leak of the diplomatic documents was a political machination is pretty much without doubt.

 

That the Ambassador should resign after that leak is right and shows the Ambassadors quality.

That Johnson does not and would not shows Johnsons complete lack of quality.

 

This will no doubt be censored - but Johnson is undoubtedly the bottom dwelling **** even in  the UK's current political cesspool.

Edited July 11, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

The really worrying thing is that Johnson might think he needs 'a bit of a war' to raise his popularity, and with Trump clearly wanting to escalate tensions with Iran, and the UK  having clearly shown its willing to do what he tells them (the boarding of the Iranian ship in International waters), he has a route.

 

:-(

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, London1971 said:

Don't think Iraq did too much for Tony Blair's popularity.

 

1. Blair didn't need a war - quite the opposite

2. Wasn't a Tory - despite what some say

 

 

Johnson needs one, idolises (however falsely) Churchill

and desperately needs something to take the mind of all the people he has been and will continue to lie to,

off the simple fact that he is lying to everyone, always has been and always will.

... aka pretty much everyone

 

 

Role on a libdem government and

The Tories getting rid of Johnson and the voters getting rid of a raft of the ERG

and Labour destroyed because jihadi Jezz will NEVER give up power. Stalin would never forgive him.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Oh and just in case everyone missed it

The Tories confirm PFI mark 2

.. as the taxpayers debts incurred in PFI mark 1 just aren't profitable enough for their private sector pals.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/23/new-uk-nuclear-plants-government-cost

 

 

Who says government is getting nothing done while Brexit hangs over us all like the sword of Damocles?

 

" The government has confirmed plans for consumers to begin paying for new nuclear reactors before they are built, and for taxpayers to pay a share of any cost overruns or construction delays. "

 

 

Costs to the taxpayer, profits to the private sector.

Edited July 23, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Heres a thought.

None of us can see how Johnson can deliver anything of what he promises - not that that would ever be a problem for him

 

Neither can we see how he can remain in power with his stated stance

 

 

But he perhaps could stay in power by jumping ship to Remain as it does seem that Remain is now  a majority both in Parliament (once led) and among the wider voters.

 

 

It sin't jumping ship for him - its just the latest incarnation of Johnsons one man lifeboat.

.. and he will be aware that no one want Corbyn if they can avoid it.

(Corbyn is clearly relying on Johnson to get power)

 

Can anyone else see a route for him?

 

Heck - he could even end up in history as the man who saved us

.. and just upset a minority of hard core leavers who will always be upset whatever happens anyway ...

Edited July 24, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Very little

 

The SNP + Libdems can't call one,

and Corbyn wont unless he's forced into it - he wants Brexit before a General election

- and few think he can win anyway - even against Johnson

 

Bl**dy farce.- which is entirely appropriate as the court fool now has the crown and there's something at least as bad waiting in the wings.

 

 

We had Cameron, and thought - its got to get better

Then we had May, and thought surely it can't get any worse.

Now we have Johnson, and we can't see how its ever going to get better..

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

On 24/07/2019 at 22:17, honeybee13 said:

They're saying that Boris doesn't want an election before Brexit.

 

Meanwhile some surveys are saying that a lot of people have changed their minds about leaving, as I understand it. Could that be why Boris doesn't want an election or a new referendum?

 

 

lets consider Johnsons problems

 

1. Parliament does NOT want a no deal

2. Johnson has NO mandate from the electrate

 

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1. is unlikely to change apart from getting more out of Johnson Favour

2. Depending on which pole you believe - the country is getting more (perhaps VERY significantly more) in favour of remain.

 

 

Whats in Johnsons favour

1. He's uniting the Brextiters, at the Brexit parties expense, which Farage is probably in favour of.

2. Corbyn.

3 The split Remain vote between Labour/Libdems and Greens

 

So with Corbyn an obvious Leaver - that plays into Johnsons hands,

and if Corbyn is forced to come out as remain - few would believe him and it still splits the remain vote in a general election scenario

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

I think channel 4 news is perhaps the best, most in depth honest reporting service we have.

 

Far better than the BBC or Sky,

and when you consider trash rags like the Express and the Mail - which should be considered as almost exclusively party political broadcasters like RT ...

[tobyjugg2]

Well I hope it wasn't the guardian or channel 4 news,

else its likely to be supported by significant evidence, although of course there could always be a little doubt..

 

I trust it was on fox news, or Breitbart or the Mail - in which case only right wing Brexiters would believe such unsupported rubbish,  alongside such tosh as 'Johnson is a man of his word' and 'Trump is a good president'  - so no-one in their right mind would believe it.

 

IF you care to give us a link - I'm sure we'll quickly see what rubbish it is.

Edited July 30, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Can't be

He wouldn't be using 'flat earth' as an insult if that were the case...

 

.. or am I just underestimating the right wings ability to reconcile what should; to a rational mind; be irreconcilable contradictions?

Edited July 30, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

You haven't shown us what monstrous crime against humanity/the animal kingdom/natural world one of the lying right wing rags has falsely accused you of.

 

Despite the unadulterated daily lies of rags like the express and mail and breitbart/fox news, and your obvious horror at the claims, It is clear that not all news services are like them.

 

Some, like the Guardian and channel 4 news undoubtedly apply fact and evidence based quality reporting - although as previously stated - mistakes do very occasionally and rarely occur even with them.

 

Don't allow your horror at the claims of right wing, lying, sensationalist, low brow rags drive you to tar all with the same brush

 

 

Give us a link and I'm sure I will be able to quickly highlight the complete lack of credibility of at least some of the associated claims.

They should be taken to task.

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

8 minutes ago, Andyorch said:

Lets keep this on track please......New PM

 

 

Who is a sensationalist unmitigated liar, elevated by sensationalist lying rags

and who in fact was, and is one of the sensationalist lying news 'reporters'

 

.- IMCCO (In my carefully considered opinion)

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by tobyjugg2