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Who were the Solictors write direct to them and ask for the information on their bills under the Solictors Act as you are the paying party ask for it in 7 days and see what comes back i

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My Solictor told me he asked for information from the solicitors quoting that they came back with copies of there breakdown of their bills it was quiet enlightning we then asked for further information they kept delaying and so we made an application the judge ordered their costs to be assessed, this can be expensive but you need not go that far just ask them for a brekdown of their costs to which " as the paying party you are entitled to " if they dont or wont report them to the Law socierty you have nothing to loose

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I think you should ask Barry Paul to do a witness statement saying just that and produce it in evidence saying that they are abusing the court procedure by using these tactics and that Judge must have had a reason and your judge is not being told the whole story

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Thanks Alan.

 

Got advice re the Solicitors Act and requesting litigation bills and because it was defendants who employed the solicitors and then charged my account for them I am not entitled to see the bill / ask for certification. But thanks anyway Bona, it was worth a try.

This is what I have been looking for

a claim under section 71(1) of the Act, by a person other than the party chargeable with the bill, for detailed assessment; I think this entitles you to see their bills

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as it is not the full hearing I assume costs will not be awarded but if they are and if in the worst possible senario they are awarded against you ask for them to be assessed if not agreed if your mortgage has an idemnity clause the costs still have to be assessed as reasonable and i can tell you those sort of costs arnt

 

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The Judge can order for the costs to be assessed if not agreed that will give you time if god forbid things go wrong the problem we found we were so gutted we didnt ask on one occasion and the judge just awarded the otherside costs . good luck what time are you in and how long have the allocated

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