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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Sent my samsung galaxy note 2 to device buyer who we subsequently found out to be cash 4 phones on Monday by special delivery, it was signed for yesterday.

 

 

After some digging around for the last few hours

 

 

we have found that device buyer have their post redirected via uk postbox.

 

 

We have spoken to the CEO of uk postbox who actually has my phone sat on his desk along with someone else's.

 

 

They have since suspended device buyers account and are in the process of sending my phone back to me.

 

 

C4p trading limited own

 

 

mobilephonerecycle.com,

cash4phones,

devicebuyer.co.uk and

mobilephonerecycling2day.co.uk.

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DeviceBuyer.co.uk |

 

 

We have received 2 phones for them as they are using one of our addresses on their website.

 

 

Both phones are being returned to the owners (senders).

 

We are trying to contact the directors of the company, to stop them advertising 13 Freeland Park, BH16 6FH on their website.

 

 

All email and phone calls have been unsuccessful to-date.

We have also reported to Trading Standards.

 

If you are thinking about sending a phone to this company,

please DO NOT send to 13 Freeland Park, BH16 6FH as we have no connection with this company

and your phone will just be returned.

 

Allan Chester CEO, UK Postbox

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I have just finished on the phone to the Ceo of UK Post Box and

 

 

I must say that despite the very bad taste I have in my mouth about www.devicebuyer.co.uk

 

 

my heart goes out to him over the impact this unjustified association to his company that has happened as a result of mis-information from Devicebuyer.

 

 

One message to Devicebuyer,

 

 

yes we are in a recession,

yes you have to find a way to pay for your expensive gated mews offices and

yes it is difficult to make money in the current economic environment,

but do not think that conning and [problem]ming members of the British public is a way to fund your lifestyle.

 

 

I for one am going to pursue this company and its owners who appear to be cheats and swindlers to my utmost ability.

 

 

*** Please Please Please, if you are trying to get the best deal for your old or unwanted phone,

 

 

do not try to sell it to www.devicebuyer.co.uk they will take your phone and you will not see any money for it.

 

I used the envelope they provided and posted my Galaxy Note 2 to them by Special Delivery, it was signed for by their office

but despite trying to contact them by their contact us page on their website

I am sat here typing this with no contact or reply from them and no money in my account

 

 

(on that note, if like me you requested a Bacs payment for your money,

the only thing they should be able to do with your account and sort code is to set up a direct debit,

you are covered against this under the direct debit guarantee scheme,

so keep an eye on your account and contact your bank if anything suspicious is happening).

 

 

I do have the address I sent it to and

my Royalmail tracking number

as well as contact details supplied to me by UK Postbox for the trading standards officer dealing with this issue.

 

I will be sure to update here with any progress/useful information that I have in relation to this.

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If you have been affected by devicebuyer.co.uk, please contact your local Trading Standards. We (UK Postbox Limited) have reported to and working closely with Trading Standards as we are not connected to this company or associated trading names in any way.

 

If you manage to contact your local Trading Standards, then tell them that the Trading Standards in Haringey, London are already taking an interest

 

 

Details for Devicebuyer.co.uk

 

Name & Registered Office:

C4P TRADING LIMITED

SUITE 21 5 SPRING STREET

PADDINGTON

LONDON

UNITED KINGDOM

W2 3AQ

Company No. 06300042

 

Physical address

Gateway Mews

15 Bounds Green,

London, N11 2UT,

United Kingdom

 

The chances are if you have sent them a phone using the supplied envelope, it was sent to Gateway Mews 15 Bounds Green, London, N11 2UT

This can be confirmed (if sent by Signed For service) by checking your tracking information on the Royal Mail track and trace - http://www.royalmail.com/track-trace

 

Hope that this information helps.

 

Allan Chester

UK Postbox

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Message from Trading Standards

 

Dorset trading standards service has recently been receiving a number of enquiries relating to a business trading as 'Device Buyer' and 'Cash4Phones'.

Before contacting the service about these businesses please note the following information:

 

·On their website Device Buyer were instructing customers that wished to send their phones by special delivery to use a Dorset address.

The address given is that of a mail forwarding business and neither Device Buyer, Cash4Phones, or C4P Trading Ltd are based at this address.

This address is no longer authorised to be used by Device Buyer and I understand it has been removed from Device Buyer website.

 

·Any customers that have sent phones to the Dorset address may contact us for further advice on 01305 224702.

However any customers that have sent phones to the London address should call the

Citizens Advice Consumer Service on 08454 04 05 06 in the first instance.

Citizens Advice will then forward details of these enquiries to the relevant authority to action as they see fit.

 

Unfortunately Dorset trading standards will not be able to reply to consumers that have already enquired about Device Buyer unless they have sent their phone to the Dorset address.

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UK Postbox is no longer involved in this story now. They have closed the devicebuyer account and there is nothing more they can do. No more phones are being directed through their service. They were unwitting victims of it all.

 

UK PostBox have been enormously helpful and it is down to their efforts that maybe this swindle is finally being brought to an end.

The CEO of UK Postbox has put a lot of effort into uncovering the mystery and contacting the authorities about it but it is now completely out of their hands.

 

I would not recommend anyone to contact them.

 

Your best port of call is to email - [email protected] which is the trading standards office for the Cash4Phones area.

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If you have been affected by devicebuyer.co.uk, please contact your local Trading Standards. We (UK Postbox Limited) have reported to and working closely with Trading Standards as we are not connected to this company or associated trading names in any way.

 

 

 

If you manage to contact your local Trading Standards, then tell them that the Trading Standards in Haringey, London are already taking an interest

 

 

 

 

 

Details for Devicebuyer.co.uk

 

 

 

Name & Registered Office:

 

C4P TRADING LIMITED

 

SUITE 21 5 SPRING STREET

 

PADDINGTON

 

LONDON

 

UNITED KINGDOM

 

W2 3AQ

 

Company No. 06300042

 

 

 

Physical address

 

Gateway Mews

 

15 Bounds Green,

 

London, N11 2UT,

 

United Kingdom

 

 

 

The chances are if you have sent them a phone using the supplied envelope, it was sent to Gateway Mews 15 Bounds Green, London, N11 2UT

 

This can be confirmed (if sent by Signed For service) by checking your tracking information on the Royal Mail track and trace - http://www.royalmail.com/track-trace

 

 

 

Hope that this information helps.

 

 

 

Allan Chester

 

UK Postbox

 

 

 

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Hi Allan

I have sent my phone to the gateway mews address believing it to be cash4phones, I sent it by recorded delivery and know it was received on Monday 18th November. Is this one of the phones you have received? I apologise if I am taking up your time but I have been conned by cash4phones and am trying to find out what to do about it. I have come across your forum posts and am hoping my phone is one of the ones you are sending back. I apologise if I have misunderstood the information but would be extremely grateful for any information you can give me. Many Thanks

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Hi Gemski

 

You will need to contact Trading Standards please read post#9

 

Allan has no connection to Cash4phones and were innocent victims in this and worked very closely with Trading Standard.

 

Please contact Trading Standards.

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Hiya is it possible u could help me get my phone back from this company? I used special delivery with royal mail and have heard nothing from they sent me out the freepost envelope. I have even informed trading standards and watchdog.

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I to have been done by device buyer i sent my Samsung note 2 off to them for recycling I even got an email from them on the 20th November to say they had my phone and were checking it for faults and to give them 10 days to sort it out- is it worth starting any court procedures against these guys ? is anyone getting any responses from them if so does anyone have a number for them ?

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Hi

 

 

Me to i sent mine on the 13th November, is it worth pursuing this or do we just have to forget about it as opening a case against this company will just end up costing me more money ?

 

 

Did you find anything out ?

 

 

Kind Regards

 

 

hayley

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i posted my phones on the 6th novemver 2013 and i have had 1 email from you stating they have my phones and it will take 10 days to look at them, i have no had no reply since i have been e mailing and phone and nothing, i dont know what else todo, i was told to get hold of citizens avice and from there they would get hold of trading standards.

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Name Change from C4P to

 

YEMONIA LIMITED

SUITE 21 5 SPRING STREET

PADDINGTON

LONDON

UNITED KINGDOM

W2 3AQ

Company No. 06300042

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Yes they have changed their registered name that Cash4Phones were trading under C4P Trading Limited to YEMONIA LIMITED and moved from EC2 to W2 (although their C4P Trading Limited site shows this as the registered company name and not YEMONIA LIMITED as showing on webcheck on the companies house site http://www.cash4phones.co.uk/corporate/contact-us.aspx).

 

I have been waiting since 11th of October to be paid £132.40 and they are now ignoring my emails and no one picks up their phone. Had started Small Claims Proceeding but cannot enforce judgement as don't know where they are now and I also don't want to waste any more money unless I have too. So have put in a complaint to Watchdog about their new [problem] about not paying, Watchdog had ran the original 'excessive wear and tear' [problem] which I found yesterday http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mg74/features/cash-4-phones.

 

I have also contacted ActionFraud and put in a case so have a crime reference number, I do hope that this action, if enough people do this, results in the owners being arrested and their business being closed down. As for re-claiming any money am not confidant any longer and has already cost me another £25 to put a claim in the small claims court, am told will cost even more if judgement has been approved and then I try to enforce...

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