School dinner lady--

[Desperate Daniella]

Your builder is obviously a crook, not much different from the guy in the article.

 

So that's not an example I'm going to have sympathy for, besides, unless he had religious beliefs that stipulated he couldn't eat meat that had been slaughtered while a prayer was being said over it, then he was just nit picking, being awkward, and more likely looking to cause bother.

 

I will not ever agree with nit picking at a race or religion, inciting hate, or generalising!

 

What on earth does wearing a Hijab have to do with 911?

 

Should we rid all Cathoics or Irish because of the IRA?

 

My builder is not a crook and I should be grateful if you would edit that post as it is libellous.

 

He morally opposes the method of halal slaughter. Are you seriously saying that all non-Muslim prisoners should have to eat halal meat? And all school children? Why? Why do their dietary requirements/demands come before anyone else's.

 

If you research online you'll find that a lot of Muslim women state they chose to start wearing the hijab to show Muslim solidarity because they felt the US "got what it deserved." Did you miss those television reports showing Muslim schoolgirls at a school in Slough cheering about 9/11? It was absolutely chilling.

 

The IRA were fighting what they perceived as an occupation of "their" country by the UK. They lived there and wanted their country united. That is totally different to people from other countries turning up anywhere and expecting the host country to change to suit them.

 

Most Catholics did not support the IRA in the same way that most Muslims do not support terror. However what is very frightening is the number of Muslims in this country who keep quiet about wrongdoers in their own community rather than reporting them to the proper authorities. I'm Catholic and if I thought a Catholic neighbour was an IRA terrorist I'd be straight on the phone.

[duckwaddler]

.It was you who said he was in prison, Libelous much? Please!

 

If you'd like my address to give to your builder for him to take to a lawyer, I will be more than happy to pass it to you DD

 

And to be honest, if you're offended by my post for being libelous about someone who's been in prison, then I'm offended at the nit picking descrimination against Muslims.

 

Forgot to add, libelous is civil, inciting hate against a minority such as disabled, gay or ethnic group is criminal.

 

Perhaps you'd prefer to live in America DD, after all, they're so very proud of their country, the country they took from under the noses of the native Americans, and forced their beliefs on them.

 

Nuff said!

[Desperate Daniella]

He was in prison and nothing like the man in the article. He is a third party and I think you should remove your post. Anyway, you still have not answered my question: Why are Muslims allowed to demand halal meat in prisons and schools, and everyone else has to go along with it? That is not libellous. It is stating the facts.

 

What do you mean by my "nitpicking discrimination against Muslims"? I have Muslim friends and they all agree with my point of view. Not every Muslim wants to cover up and live as part of a Muslim community. They want to live as part of the UK community as they were quite rightly brought up to do. They don't want to be associated in any way with what they see, and I quote from one of them, "people who should be herding goats in the desert." They do not feel they have anything in common with the people who now flock to listen to the mullahs inciting hatred and they, as Muslims, wish they would shut up and go home.

 

I'm not going to comment on what happened in the US hundreds of years ago. I'm more concerned about those people coming to our country now who wish us harm.

[duckwaddler]

DD, you brought up that your builder was in prison, I made the same comment as you did about the man in the article, he has not been named, so no, I will not remove my post.

 

And in my opinion, no matter what his crime, he has not abided by the laws/rules of this country - as you seem to be offended about Muslims not doing this, so why is he any different?

 

Also, discrimination of any description against any group is against the law and rules of the UK - yet you don't seem to have a problem with that either!

 

You say you have Muslim friends? Clearly not practising Muslims if they drink alcohol amongst other things - whereas I have a very close friend who is Muslim, all of what you have said in your posts is rubbish DD! her and her family have been like family to me for 15yrs, none of what you have said in your posts is true of them, or the Muslim community I used to live amongst and still associate with.

 

Although, the opinions you have posted tonight have given my friend, who by the way was born and bred here 39yrs ago, an absolute life of hell!

 

I just want to say one more thing before I go....

 

Had this have been a typical white family, with a child with a peanut allergy, and the dinner lady was Muslim, you would have been kicking up a fuss how it could have killed her!!!

 

Discriminating against peoples beliefs is the cause of war in this world, not the beliefs themselves.

[Desperate Daniella]

Actually, he got off on appeal.

 

A peanut allergy can kill someone. A bite of gammon, which the child did not even have, would not kill them unless they had an allergy, and in this case they didn't. Anyway, most tolerant religions would say that something eaten in ignorance by a child wouldn't count anyway.

 

I have not said anything about your friends. I do not know them. If Muslims who drink alcohol aren't Muslims, does this mean Catholics who use contraception aren't Catholics? What about divorced Catholics? If they are divorced but still go to church every Sunday, would you say they aren't practising Catholics?

 

This is entirely my point. Who is to say who is a practising Muslim? From what you have said, your friends would not consider my friends to be proper Muslims. And they should not be judging at all.

[duckwaddler]

 

 

. And they should not be judging at all.

 

Pot and kettle springs to mind here DD

 

P.S. Catholics who use contraception and who are divorced are in the same category as Muslims who drink in my opinion, bending the rules to suit.

[Desperate Daniella]

Okay. So a Catholic woman is beaten and deserted by her husband and he subsequently divorces her after a five year separation. Can she no longer call herself a practising Catholic even if she still goes to church?

 

Btw, I understood that strict Muslims thought homosexuals were beyond the pale too, and most gay men I've known always drink, so how do your Muslim friends get on with your gay friends?

[duckwaddler]

Btw, I understood that strict Muslims thought homosexuals were beyond the pale too, and most gay men I've known always drink, so how do your Muslim friends get on with your gay friends?

 

Much the same way as true Catholics do DD - only difference being, over in Muslim countries gays and homeophrodites have their own community and are left alone, here they are beaten to a pulp.

 

I also have a staunch Catholic friend, who by the way is divorced, she thinks her own divorce is acceptable, but despises gays and thinks they're ****.

[Desperate Daniella]

Sorry. I don't quite get that. Are you saying that your Muslim friends get on with your gay friends as true Catholics would do? Or that true Catholics are intolerant of gay people?

 

I don't know about every Muslim country, but in Saudi and Iran they frequently put homosexuals to death.

[duckwaddler]

DD I think you've swayed slightly off topic now, this thread was about a dinner lady being sacked, we've had criminal builders and gays brought into it.

 

I don't know about you, but I've had enough - let me know if your builder needs my address

[Desperate Daniella]

I agree with you - we have gone off topic but I'm still fascinated to know how your strictly observant Muslim friends get on with your gay friends.

 

My friends include Jews, Muslims, Hindus, gay men and women, and a couple of (non-gay) Catholic priests. They all get on very well with the Christian, straight ones and religion just doesn't come into it at all.

 

Have a nice evening.

Edited August 2, 2013 by Desperate Daniella

[duckwaddler]

I agree with you - we have gone off topic but I'm still fascinated to know how your strictly observant Muslim friends get on with your gay friends.

 

My friends include Jews, Muslims, Hindus, gay men and women, and a couple of (non-gay) Catholic priests. They all get on very well with the Christian, straight ones and religion just doesn't come into it at all.

 

Have a nice evening.

 

My friends do not say a single word or judge against any of my gay friends for your information, just thought I'd answer you that, I wouldn't want you thinking they behaved like my Catholic friend has, although, she knows if she does it in my home she's not welcome here

 

I'd be fascinated to know what you think about how the Native Americans had their country snatched from under their noses - but you'd rather not go there, probably because it's off topic.

[Desperate Daniella]

I was actually interested to know if they socialize together and get on, not whether or not they comment verbally on your gay friends.

 

It's not relevant what I think about the Native Americans having their country taken over. The Vikings went there first, then the Spaniards, and later the Brits. Are you seriously saying that because people from all over the world "discovered" America and took over hundreds of years ago, that has something to do with a religion, not a race, wanting to take over the world now? Do you think people have a right to come to our country and inflict their views on us because of what the new arrivals from many countries did in America many years ago? Surely not.

[snowdragon]

excuse me but Sandy has a Native American name that was given to her by her Native friend , they call each other sisters, we both love the Native American culture and feel bad that they got the blame for things which were not their doing!, (((( steps of soap box ! ))))

[Desperate Daniella]

Totally agree with you and they were treated very badly.

[duckwaddler]

excuse me but Sandy has a Native American name that was given to her by her Native friend , they call each other sisters, we both love the Native American culture and feel bad that they got the blame for things which were not their doing!, (((( steps of soap box ! ))))

 

Love the Native American culture and everything about it BobCat! And old friend of mine, speaking of which I've not seen her in a while, her Dad is Native American! She's a beauty too!

 

Terrible the way they were and still are treated in my opinion, everyone deserves the same respect, and to be left to live in peace without harassment.

[snowdragon]

wakantnka nici un ♥

[snowdragon]

would love to go to see a real native reservation but also many of the tribes have had theirs turned into casinos, Shining Star our friend says even ow in her older years they still get treated as outcasts, she lives in Boswell PA and is part Mowhawk,

[duckwaddler]

I was reading some of the old Native American prayers the other day, they gave me shivers down my spine!

 

I'm on the look out for a new genuine dream catcher, if you can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful BobCat

[duckwaddler]

would love to go to see a real native reservation but also many of the tribes have had theirs turned into casinos, Shining Star our friend says even ow in her older years they still get treated as outcasts, she lives in Boswell PA and is part Mowhawk,

 

And if it were not for Native Americans we would not have domesticated dogs - it was their relationship with one lone wolf that brought us the friendship we now have with mans best friend

[Desperate Daniella]

Love the Native American culture and everything about it BobCat! And old friend of mine, speaking of which I've not seen her in a while, her Dad is Native American! She's a beauty too!

 

Terrible the way they were and still are treated in my opinion, everyone deserves the same respect, and to be left to live in peace without harassment.

 

Exactly. We have come full circle. I would like to live without harassment from people coming here who want to change us.

[Desperate Daniella]

I was reading some of the old Native American prayers the other day, they gave me shivers down my spine!

 

I'm on the look out for a new genuine dream catcher, if you can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful BobCat

 

By genuine, do you mean one that actually comes from the Native Americans?

 

Otherwise I can give you a link to a shop that sells them.

[duckwaddler]

By genuine, do you mean one that actually comes from the Native Americans?

 

Otherwise I can give you a link to a shop that sells them.

 

If they're genuine ones that the shop sells then yes please if it's allowed

[snowdragon]

Duck, if you came to my place you would see all my authentic native items!, best place to get a authentic native dreamcatcher from is the Natives them selves or look online but beware, if it says made in china or imported etc, do not touch, authentic ones have the name of the tribe or person on it and usually have an animal on, if you get one with the white buffalo on then you are blessed, if you need any more info let me know , Sandy has wrote native poetry as well as other poem s

[duckwaddler]

Duck, if you came to my place you would see all my authentic native items!, best place to get a authentic native dreamcatcher from is the Natives them selves or look online but beware, if it says made in china or imported etc, do not touch, authentic ones have the name of the tribe or person on it and usually have an animal on, if you get one with the white buffalo on then you are blessed, if you need any more info let me know , Sandy has wrote native poetry as well as other poem s

 

Please if you wouldn't mind sending me more info, in a PM if that's okay, as I think I've clogged up this thread enough as it is!

 

You shall have to pop up some photos one time, oh I get shivers right down my spine everytime I read their poetry!

 

My Husband always dreams of a Native American Man, the same one all the time, has done for years - he is very fascinated by them!