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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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More rubbish without any proof whatsoever.

 

What do you mean???

 

Do you think that the evidence supporting the claim that any smoke is harmful to children and people with weakened immune systems is false or are you agreeing with it? There are literally dozens of studies proving the impacts of smoke on children, even psychologically...

 

For the record, I am in support of adults having the right to smoke... I just don't support their right to expose their children or sick relatives to the smoke when it could very well cause significant issues down the road for them... It isn't too much of a hassle to smoke away from children. If any, really... I used to be a smoker even before it was being beaten into us that smoking is bad for our kids and I still never, never did it around them... Always seemed strange to me.

 

I'm very interested in why you think this way, though... Can you explain your position? I know it isn't quite about quitting smoking but it does pertain to the subject.

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I was thinking of real life. My Grandfather in law smoked like a chimney, my mother in law has just passed away at the age of 97, so it didn't do her any harm.

 

Oh! Okay, that makes more sense. You are right that for some people, smoking doesn't seem to have any influence on their health. Everyone is unique in their own way when it comes to anatomy and how things impact you, so there are definitely going to be outliers. Would you argue that these two people trump studies of thousands of people and how they are impacted, though? Or simply that these studies don't represent the entire picture and rather just a singular agenda? :)

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THe figures are overall, not individual, even though they advertise it as such.

 

If they really wanted people to stop smoking, they would take out the major toxic chemicals that are in them. There is absolutely no reason to have certain toxic chemicals in there, yet the government will not introduce legislation to stop the manufacturers adding them.

 

Chemicals such as:

 

Cadmium

Butane

Methane

Arsenic

Carbon Monoxide

methonal

Ammonia

Toluene

Hexamine

Stearic Acid.

 

No manufacturer or advocate of smoking has ever given a solid reason why any of these chemicals exist in cigarettes. They are even creeping in to menthols now.

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THe figures are overall, not individual, even though they advertise it as such.

 

If they really wanted people to stop smoking, they would take out the major toxic chemicals that are in them. There is absolutely no reason to have certain toxic chemicals in there, yet the government will not introduce legislation to stop the manufacturers adding them.

 

Chemicals such as:

 

Cadmium

Butane

Methane

Arsenic

Carbon Monoxide

methonal

Ammonia

Toluene

Hexamine

Stearic Acid.

 

No manufacturer or advocate of smoking has ever given a solid reason why any of these chemicals exist in cigarettes. They are even creeping in to menthols now.

 

If I recall correctly... Isn't a few of that from the soil treatment they use for tobacco farms? It's been a few years since I looked into the contents of cigarettes but I did find the impacts on health to be far reduced when people rolled their own cigarettes with tinned tobacco rather than simply buying packages of pre-made cigarettes.

 

I would be in 100% support of government regulation forcing tobacco corporations to reduce levels of toxins in the production of cigarettes. I can definitely agree with that!

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• 2-Methylbutyric Acid

• alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde

• Methylcyclopentenolone

• 2-Methylheptanoic Acid

• 2-Methylhexanoic Acid

• 3-Methylpentanoic Acid

• 4-Methylpentanoic Acid

• 2-Methylpyrazine

• 5-Methylquinoxaline

• 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One

• (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)

• 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde

• Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate

• 2-Methylvaleric Acid

• Mimosa Absolute and Extract

• Molasses Extract and Tincture

• Mountain Maple Solid Extract

• Mullein Flowers

• Myristaldehyde

• Myristic Acid

• Myrrh Oil

• beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether

• Nerol

• Neroli Bigarde Oil

• Nerolidol

• Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal

• 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol

• gamma-Nonalactone

• Nonanal

• Nonanoic Acid

• Nonanone

• trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol

• 2-Nonenal

• Nonyl Acetate

• Nutmeg Powder and Oil

• Oak Chips Extract and Oil

• Oak Moss Absolute

• 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%)

And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)

• delta-Octalactone

• gamma-Octalactone

• Octanal

• Octanoic Acid

• 1-Octanol

• 2-Octanone

• 3-Octen-2-One

• 1-Octen-3-Ol

• 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate

• 2-Octenal

• Octyl Isobutyrate

• Oleic Acid

• Olibanum Oil

• Opoponax Oil And Gum

Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute

Orange Oil and Extract

• Origanum Oil

• Orris Concrete Oil and Root

Extract

• Palmarosa Oil

• Palmitic Acid

• Parsley Seed Oil

• Patchouli Oil

• omega-Pentadecalactone

• 2,3-Pentanedione

• 2-Pentanone

• 4-Pentenoic Acid

• 2-Pentylpyridine

• Pepper Oil, Black And White

• Peppermint Oil

• Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil

• Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil

• alpha-Phellandrene

• 2-Phenenthyl Acetate

• Phenenthyl Alcohol

• Phenethyl Butyrate

• Phenethyl Cinnamate

• Phenethyl Isobutyrate

• Phenethyl Isovalerate

• Phenethyl Phenylacetate

• Phenethyl Salicylate

• 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol

• 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol

• 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal

• 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol

• 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One

• Phenylacetaldehyde

• Phenylacetic Acid

• 1-Phenylalanine

• 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde

• 3-Phenylpropionic Acid

• 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate

• 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate

• 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran

• Phosphoric Acid

• Pimenta Leaf Oil

• Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch

• Pineapple Juice Concentrate

• alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene

• D-Piperitone

• Piperonal

• Pipsissewa Leaf Extract

• Plum Juice

• Potassium Sorbate

• 1-Proline

• Propenylguaethol

• Propionic Acid

• Propyl Acetate

• Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate

• Propylene Glycol

• 3-Propylidenephthalide

• Prune Juice and Concentrate

• Pyridine

• Pyroligneous Acid And Extract

• Pyrrole

• Pyruvic Acid

• Raisin Juice Concentrate

• Rhodinol

• Rose Absolute and Oil

• Rosemary Oil

• Rum

• Rum Ether

• Rye Extract

• Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage

Oleoresin

• Salicylaldehyde

• Sandalwood Oil, Yellow

• Sclareolide

• Skatole

• Smoke Flavor

• Snakeroot Oil

• Sodium Acetate

• Sodium Benzoate

• Sodium Bicarbonate

• Sodium Carbonate

• Sodium Chloride

• Sodium Citrate

• Sodium Hydroxide

• Solanone

• Spearmint Oil

• Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil

• Sucrose Octaacetate

• Sugar Alcohols

• Sugars

• Tagetes Oil

• Tannic Acid

• Tartaric Acid

• Tea Leaf and Absolute

• alpha-Terpineol

• Terpinolene

• Terpinyl Acetate

• 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline

• 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane

• 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-

Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone

• 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine

• Thiamine Hydrochloride

• Thiazole

• 1-Threonine

• Thyme Oil, White and Red

• Thymol

• Tobacco Extracts

• Tochopherols (mixed)

• Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract

• Tolualdehydes

• para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate

• para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde

• para-Tolyl Acetate

• para-Tolyl Isobutyrate

• para-Tolyl Phenylacetate

• Triacetin

• 2-Tridecanone

• 2-Tridecenal

• Triethyl Citrate

• 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol

• para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol

• 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-

Enyl)But-2-En-4-One

• 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-

Ene-1,4-Dione

• 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,

3-Dienyl Methan

• 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,

3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One

• 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone

• 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine

• 1-Tyrosine

• delta-Undercalactone

• gamma-Undecalactone

• Undecanal

• 2-Undecanone, 1

• 0-Undecenal

• Urea

• Valencene

• Valeraldehyde

• Valerian Root Extract, Oil

and Powder

• Valeric Acid

• gamma-Valerolactone

• Valine

• Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin

• Vanillin

• Veratraldehyde

• Vetiver Oil

• Vinegar

• Violet Leaf Absolute

• Walnut Hull Extract

• Water

• Wheat Extract And Flour

• Wild Cherry Bark Extract

• Wine and Wine Sherry

• Xanthan Gum

• 3,4-Xylenol

• Yeast

 

 

Are just SOME of the chemicals in them and what is produced by smoking one. There is No reason at all for any of them to be in there apart from to get people addicted.

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You'd have to do a lot of research to find that out im afraid.

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You'd have to do a lot of research to find that out im afraid.

 

Darn... There are probably studies about the soil in tobacco farms. I'll have a quick peek... Hmm. It only speaks of phosphorus and nitrogen in the soil for tobacco farming, but nothing very much about chemicals and the presence of toxins. That is, though, a quick peek and nothing very thorough but I was sort of hoping it'd be easier to figure out if there's been a study on the soil of tobacco farms to determine what is through production/burning and what is through growth. Alas, I think we can all agree that rolling your own is better than buying pre-made, but it's probably still pretty bad for you...

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The figures all depend on which side you bat for. If you are anti anything you can come up with reason why you shouldn't and figures and statistics to back it up, but then again if you are for something, you can equally as well come up with figures and statistics for your case.

 

I personally don't believe any of them. One minute red wine and chocolate are great for avoiding cancer and the next minute they aren't.

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I agree partly with that conniff, but smoking is massively different. The chemicals are there and have been found and examined. Manufacturers are well known for including those chemicals in their product purely as a way to get people addicted and keep them addicted. In a sane country, this would be wholly illegal, but since the government make HUGE amounts of money in taxes off them, it wont change anytime soon.

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I agree with that, there isn't a business in this world that isn't on some sort of rip-off. I used to smoke and really loved it. I still miss it now, nothing like a good fag after dinner.

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I agree with that, there isn't a business in this world that isn't on some sort of rip-off. I used to smoke and really loved it. I still miss it now, nothing like a good fag after dinner.

 

Definitely know that feeling. I've been off them for about six years now and still get an urge every now and then. I rolled my own so I can only imagine how it'd feel for me if I had bought manufactured cigarettes instead. Probably wouldn't be capable of running too well, I reckon!

 

@Imp: Are there proposals currently open to the government to increase tobacco regulation?

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The only regulation the government imposes on tobacco are the health warnings and the pointless exercise of taking them off display in shops. They will NEVER remove them from sale as the tax they would lose off them would be colossal. Not to mention the relevant political parties would lose millions in donations from the various manufacturers.

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Renegade before you start making lists of chemicals and saying they is no reason for them to be there just check your facts.

 

For example Carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide are products of combustion. Some you have included twice such as vinegar and ascetic acid. Many will be natural constituents of tobacco and some will be added for taste etc. Not all are harmful or addictive.

 

It is proven beyond doubt that smoking both active and passive are detrimental to health. Just because someone lives to a ripe old age means nothing. Smoking will have impaired some functions.

 

As to when and where people should be allowed to smoke is difficult. You can not drink on the streets of many towns and cities but you can smoke. The smell is to me very unpleasant and it makes us laugh when i used to think no one could smell my crafty fact on the bus on the way home from school.

 

I am quite happy for someone to have a cig in my flat but my partner hates it with a passion.

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Renegade before you start making lists of chemicals and saying they is no reason for them to be there just check your facts.

 

Are just SOME of the chemicals in them and what is produced by smoking one

 

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Lol you would make a good politician. You then went on to say there is no reason for any of them to be there apart from to get people addicted.

 

I am not pro smoking in any way just anti misinformation.

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Chemical names are a nightmare,old and new. eg ethyl alcohol is ethanol which we like in our drink. methyl alcohol is methanol.

Methane is pretty much what fires our central heating. Oh and sodium chloride goes very well with vinegar on your chips.

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There is only one foolproof way to prove it and that is to bring back a smoker who died supposedly of secondary smoke and put them in an environment where there is no smoke and then compare their ages at death.

 

Just get it down your lungs and enjoy it, sod everyone else.

 

PS I don't smoke lol

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I will stick with the same method we prove all other methods and proofs: the scientific way.

 

But lets form a queue for folks that don't believe the same chemicals when taken direct have no impact when secondary to put it to the test. Any volunteers to be first in line to gamble

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But I've already done that test, 60 per day for more years than you have lived and I'm still here so science can't always be that accurate, it relies a lot on good guesses as well.

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