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    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
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    • pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’.  Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time.  You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID.  You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.<<**IMPORTANT**  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim type your name ONLY no need to sign anything .you DO NOT await the return of paperwork. you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.
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Should of found this site first.Anyway recieved 6 years statements ,trawled through them, totted up all the charges then sent my letter asking for it to be returned(Used the template off Which as i had not found this site).Recieved the standard letter saying No, then they gave me 8 weeks to reply if they didn`t here anything they would consider the matter closed.That time limit is about up, (can`t find the dated letter) due to the fact i felt uneasy about going to court and i work next door to the branch i am claiming from.But on reading these threads it has given me the determination to see it throgh.

 

Have i missed the boat or is my next step the LBA.

 

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Get the LBA sent now asap. Remember its to your schedule not theirs, and it looks good in court you gave them more time so dont worry about it. But try to stick to your timetable.

 

They never felt uneasy charging you with you working next door so claim back what is yours and good luck.

 

 

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Glad you have decided to coninue your claim. You never know the people in the branch might actually be rooting for you. Can you imagine working for a bank like that? I get the impression that the banks care as much about their staff as they do about their customers.

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sid - go to

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/92-3-letter-before-action.html

 

the letter is in the grey box

 

point on the "your address"] part of the box and left click on your mouse

 

keeping the left click pressed down drag the mouse down to the bottom of the grey box to where it says "[name]"

 

the letter should all be highlighted in blue

 

let go of the left click button

 

right click the mouse and select "copy" from the little pop up that appears

 

go into Word, open a new document and press the right hand click again

 

select "paste"

 

Hope this helps

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Thanks Isobel,I think my problem is that i do not have microsoft office on my laptop i do have it on my desktop but that is in storage as i am having house renovations.Is that correct?

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Just about completed my summary of charges to be sent with my LBA, but the template has stopped calculating the interest as there is no more ficticious data to change (down to line 160 ) on the simple excel version.Does this make sense?

 

Also i did not send a summary of charges with my prelim letter just added a total amount could this alter things.My head is battered with trying to search for this info so apologise if these are repetative Q.

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Highlight some of the completed rows in the spreadsheet, right click and copy. Click on row 160 and right click, copy inserted cells. Just replace the duplicated charges with new ones, and the formulas should continue to calculate.

 

If you are not sure you are doing something right, save the spreadsheet, do what you think needs doing and when you think it is right save again. If you go wrong you can just close the spreadsheet without saving, and when you reopen it you will be back to square one with no harm done.

 

It is fine to change the amount in your LBA and your court claim if you need to amend the schedule of charges.

 

Hope that makes sense and works

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Just completing my MCOL.

 

Do you put the defendants branch address or head office, i sent all other info to the branch?

 

When you calculate the daily rate it is 0.00022 x £1726 = 0.37

 

Charges £1726

8 % int £398.92

Total claim £2124.92

 

Is this correct?

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Put the branch address or you will end up in the Scottish court system as that is where the head office is based.

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Received a letter off Clydesdale 20/11/2006.Confirming the bank has filed an acknowledgement of service.

 

But claim i have not provided Acc details and sufficient details of the charges i should be refunded and given me until 6/10/2006 (yes it says october ) to provide them. Yet i already sent these details with my LBA.

 

Do i send them again?

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I had the same letter and sent them again so they could not wriggle out of anything. This seems to be the latest tactic in delaying the claim, just send again with a covering letter......

 

Started 25th Sep 2006 - got cheque on 4th December 2006. Settled without interest but full amount plus court costs :)

A & L Watch out buddy you are next 2007!!!!

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You are fine to deal with legal services in Glasgow now your claim has started.

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My N149 has to be recieved by my local court no later than 1/1/2007, so need to send by recorded delivery today.I copied the text off the template for section G, but also noticed the DRAFT ORDER FOR DIRECTIONS in the CAG newsletter. Do i attach this aswell or is it only relevent to the N150

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Recieved notice of allocation to the small claims track (hearing) today. The hearing date is 16 april 2007.

 

At this point do i send a copy of the schedule of charges, as the directions state that all documents on which that the party intends to rely at the hearing should be delivered no later than the 8th Feb 2007.

 

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